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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

'NASCAR Gets Heavy Handed With Penske'

Hey All,

Lets cut right to the chase!

Since the dawn of NASCAR bout 60 years ago...

Manufacturer Championship winners (totals)

ManufacturerTotal Wins
Buick2
Chevrolet36
Dodge2
Ford15
Hudson3
Oldsmobile1
Plymouth1
Pontiac1

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And for trucks...


Exactly what kind of car do you think the Frances have always favored?

-Ed-
 
True, GM, specifically Chevrolet, is the whiner in NASCAR and it does seem that when Chevy whines about no longer winning, NASCAR issues new rules.
 
Figures can be deceiving, however, in this case let us not overlook the fact that Chevrolet signed on to the 'We will not race' manufacturers agreement decades ago and continued development as well as supplying NASCAR teams via the back door.
I know that was a long time ago but it shows how GM valued their racing 'Publicity' and it is hard to believe that Bill France knew nothing of this matter.
And of course, when Chrysler introduced their 'Hemi' and Ralph Moody approached a Chrysler Dealer they knew nothing ..................... :icon_eek:
NASCAR is only interested in their own financial gain and will do whatever is needed to keep the Manufacturers in the game.
 
are you guys saying you believe that its all a conspierisacy (close?) ? and that nascar has made rules to make penski ,roush,gibbs etall get caught cheating?just because they dont run GM products?...

did any of you hear Kenny wallace call out dale earndarth,oh yes he did..oh the daring of the boy..and darrel waltrip and even richard petty,saying they all flat out cheated in the past...not pushed the envolope...CHEATED....the look on larry Macs face was priceless..cant wait to see if ole DW says anything about it during the race!!!!....:applause:

BTW i didnt hear him say anything about rusty...and you KNOW he did it too...
 
Hey All,

They all push the envelope - that is just how racing is and should be.

Look at the record Hudson has more championships than dodge - course if you argue plymouth is dodge since they are all mopar then they tie.

The point is the Frances DO NOT like surprises - they didn't like the hemi, they didn't like the wing, even recently they didn't like the dodge engine so they changed the rules to put dodge at a disadvantage because of weight distribution.

Now Toyota needs to learn the lesson - France family vs the whole Toyota Corporation - well duh France wins.

Chevy has never blatantly and I mean blatantly pushed the envelope - the France family likes that. Because racing - ALL RACING - is about entertainment NOT innovation. F1 get the message although in reality they already actually have and will continue to move that way.

NO racing series on earth celebrates the innovation of mankind. We all sing kumbayeh together and have a juice box afterwards.

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

They all push the envelope - that is just how racing is and should be.

Look at the record Hudson has more championships than dodge - course if you argue plymouth is dodge since they are all mopar then they tie.

The point is the Frances DO NOT like surprises - they didn't like the hemi, they didn't like the wing, even recently they didn't like the dodge engine so they changed the rules to put dodge at a disadvantage because of weight distribution.

Now Toyota needs to learn the lesson - France family vs the whole Toyota Corporation - well duh France wins.

Chevy has never blatantly and I mean blatantly pushed the envelope - the France family likes that. Because racing - ALL RACING - is about entertainment NOT innovation. F1 get the message although in reality they already actually have and will continue to move that way.

NO racing series on earth celebrates the innovation of mankind. We all sing kumbayeh together and have a juice box afterwards.

-Ed-
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LoL I can always count on you to throw in a jab at F1 whenever you see fit ...But now I'm used to it since I expect it to now occur in all of your posts...;)
Anyways back on topic, I tend generally agree with just about that you've said here....

Speaking of the Frances not liking surprises, my mind goes back to "T-Rex".....
 
Hey All,

I am not throwing a jab at F1 - look at history - more innovation in the 50s, 60s, 70s than today? - you tell me. I really have only one beef with F1 - the lunacy of the constructor being supreme leading to team orders which I think detracts from on the track racing based on driver supremacy. You explain to me why it does not. Were any of Schumacher's titles legit or were they all manufactured and deserve an asterisk? Nobody remembers (I don't) or even cares about who he drove for - the issue is were his titles fully equally competed for compared to say Seniors? Driver or Constructor - who matters more from a fan perspective? This is where my argument will always go. I continue to wait for a justification when F1 is clearly not a wide open run what ya brung innovation rules all series. Whether F1 (or NASCAR) should be all about innovation is a different question that I am in no way addressing.

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Were any of Schumacher's titles legit or were they all manufactured and deserve an asterisk?
-Ed-
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All of Schumacher's titles were legit.
With the exception of an odd race here or there, Schumacher generally blew the side pods off of his team mates.

You could debate that we never saw the pitched team mate battles such as Senna & Prost or Mansell & Piquet simply because Schumacher was much faster than all his team mates.
 
Hey All,

When teammates park on the side of the track (I mean physically stop and park) till Schumacher passes them (I will never forget that) you have to wonder. You see the issue?

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

When teammates park on the side of the track (I mean physically stop and park) till Schumacher passes them (I will never forget that) you have to wonder. You see the issue?

-Ed-
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EasyEd,
We've been through this before....NASCAR & F1 are 2 different perspectives....And personally, I enjoy the fact the each series is distinctly different than the other....

Now I do have concern with NASCAR start & parks. Personally, I'd rather see a team drive the whole race rather than drive for one fuel stint then withdraw due to "handling"...
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

When team-mates park on the side of the track (I mean physically stop and park) till Schumacher passes them (I will never forget that) you have to wonder. You see the issue?

-Ed-
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And where exactly did this happen Ed?
Aside from the very public demonstration several years ago in Austria, where Barrichello slowed and pulled to one side (not 'stopping', just 'slowing') as well as the relatively recent call for Massa to let Alonso go ahead in Germany, I've yet to see any driver 'park and wait'.
More to the point, I was most unimpressed when Mika Salo was filling in for Herman and leading the German GP, he had to pass up his place to Eddie Irvine who was leading the driver's championship.
However, I suppose a driver who is not in the championship chase and is having a one off drive should expect to be low man on the Totem Pole!
But that really annoyed me, as Salo was one very good driver who never really had a decent drive.
:kilroy:
 
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