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Reasons FSX Users Don't Move to P3D

DaveSHQ said:
Which is funny since not one person has trashed talked P3D in this thread. However, it is turning into another P3D fanboi thread and should be moved to that forum.
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This thread was started for adversarial purposes. I think it's funny to be so butt hurt about something that even seeing people talk about it angers some. There is still plenty that P3d has in common with FSX, so what's with the constant insistence that any mention of it should be banished to a subforum... 95% of FSX add-ons run in P3d, so you'll have P3d users continuing to pay attention and comment in this forum. If you don't like it, roll the little scroll wheel. I don't see why it's such a huge agitation for some people.

I'm not even running P3d yet, and it's never pissed me off to see people talk about it. On the contrary, I've enjoyed listening to what it offers... Nice to see the simulator grow into something that is supported and advancing rather than old, stagnant and dropped by its' creators. If it weren't for all the dedicated third party developers, FSX would have been completely written off as soon as Microsoft threw in the towel.
 
airattackimages said:
This thread was started for adversarial purposes. I think it's funny to be so butt hurt about something that even seeing people talk about it angers some. There is still plenty that P3d has in common with FSX, so what's with the constant insistence that any mention of it should be banished to a subforum... 95% of FSX add-ons run in P3d, so you'll have P3d users continuing to pay attention and comment in this forum. If you don't like it, roll the little scroll wheel. I don't see why it's such a huge agitation for some people.

I'm not even running P3d yet, and it's never pissed me off to see people talk about it. On the contrary, I've enjoyed listening to what it offers... Nice to see the simulator grow into something that is supported and advancing rather than old, stagnant and dropped by its' creators. If it weren't for all the dedicated third party developers, FSX would have been completely written off as soon as Microsoft threw in the towel.
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Well said Mike. Nobody is making them read the posts, but just the idea that the post is on this forum seems to be enough to get the hackles up for some. Pretty funny really.
 
airattackimages said:
I'm not even running P3d yet, and it's never pissed me off to see people talk about it. On the contrary, I've enjoyed listening to what it offers... Nice to see the simulator grow into something that is supported and advancing rather than old, stagnant and dropped by its' creators. If it weren't for all the dedicated third party developers, FSX would have been completely written off as soon as Microsoft threw in the towel.
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It's what got me interested enough to purchase it...though I am yet to install...as FSX is still running whilst I'm reworking a paintkit...;)
 
Still waiting for a profile on Nvidia Inspector. Purchased it the day it came out deleted it after 2.2. The AA is disgusting on my system.
 
I would switch but I understand that my lowly dell laptop would not run P3D v2 very well.

i5-3210m cpu @ 2.5GHz 2.5GHz
GForce GT 630M
8.00 ram
windows 7 Professional

I would appreciate any insights the group may have. I want to make the switch, but I am not in position to buy a new computer at the moment......
 
clmooring said:
I would switch but I understand that my lowly dell laptop would not run P3D v2 very well.

i5-3210m cpu @ 2.5GHz 2.5GHz
GForce GT 630M
8.00 ram
windows 7 Professional

I would appreciate any insights the group may have. I want to make the switch, but I am not in position to buy a new computer at the moment......
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Well, for starters: your laptop isn't that lowly IMHO. For a laptop those specs look good. But I'm afraid you wouldn't be able to run P3D well. I imagine that no laptop would (except for those horribly expensive gaming laptops). But in all honesty, I wouldn't run FSX from a laptop either. FS9 maybe.

But the above is because I like to see my FPS at least in the double digits. The way I have set it up right now, FPS hardly ever drop below 30 FPS.

Johan
 
One simple reason not to switch for me: I don't want to get a credit card to buy P3D. If they would accept Paypal (Which they don't and have no plans to do so.) I would have bought it already.
 
One simple reason for me too though if I think about it, there are more.

While my i5 2500K/GTX560Ti runs FSX at an acceptable level.. I really can't see it running P3D any better.

I noted early on that many P3D users ran for 4gig graphics cards (this seems to be a pre-requisite) and I can't justify buying one. So.. much of the smoother flying experience and improved graphics I read about has only been achieved by buying a new graphics card.

I'm not totally impressed by having to purchase each new 'full' version either. I know that incremental updates are free and it's nice to know that LM are in a position to listen to users and update accordingly but I really can't be doing with the hassle of a re-install every few months.

P3D has promise for sure but not for me.. yet;)
ATB
DaveB:)
 
If you look at the essentials of every flight simulation - flightdynamics, weather system, simulation of the aircraft core systems, ATC - P3D offers absolutely no improvements compared with FSX. So for me it looks like P3D is just FSX with some makeup. But sure, if you consider cloud shadows a must a change to P3D might be a worthwhile option.

Greetings
Tim
 
Ferry_vO said:
One simple reason not to switch for me: I don't want to get a credit card to buy P3D. If they would accept Paypal (Which they don't and have no plans to do so.) I would have bought it already.
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A bit OT but since I read this frequently: you don't need a "real" credit card for that. There are services with "one-time" (single use) virtual credit cards out there.


Cheers,
Mark
 
Tim-HH said:
If you look at the essentials of every flight simulation - flightdynamics, weather system, simulation of the aircraft core systems, ATC - P3D offers absolutely no improvements compared with FSX. So for me it looks like P3D is just FSX with some makeup. But sure, if you consider cloud shadows a must a change to P3D might be a worthwhile option.

Greetings
Tim
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Hi Tim,

You had a look on the P3D site to see how much P3D has evolved? (About 11 major mods as compared to 0 with FSX?) FSX:SE has been tweaked to work with Steam & modern PC's.

So, if you think that P3D is just FSX with cloud tweaks, maybe you should read up a bit more.
 
Tim-HH said:
If you look at the essentials of every flight simulation - flightdynamics, weather system, simulation of the aircraft core systems, ATC - P3D offers absolutely no improvements compared with FSX. So for me it looks like P3D is just FSX with some makeup. But sure, if you consider cloud shadows a must a change to P3D might be a worthwhile option.

Greetings
Tim
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I'm sorry Tim but:

Flightdynamics: vastly improved
Weather system: improved quite a bit
Aircraft core systems: take a look at the F-22 RADAR in there if you will.

Apart from overall smoothness and vastly improved graphics through the use of DX11, all of the above represent a major step forward when compared to the dinosaur technology FSX... And when P3D becomes 64 bit, all of this will improve even more.

It's a bit like comparing CFS3 to Cliffs of Dover. No contest whatsoever. Mickey$oft gave up on the flightsim community and they're never coming back. Hell, they kicked us where it hurts after decades of customer loyalty. But that is probably a good thing. New people from the aerospace industry have taken over. Where FSX is a game, P3D is a simulation.

Johan
 
Why should FSX or P3D bring anything to the aircraft core systems ?
It's not the simulator task to handle these. Instruments are handled by the addon itself. The sim simply offers that addon an interface to express itself in the virtual world.
FSX does not support weapons at all. Yet we got TacPack, right ? Same goes with any system. There are almost no limitations at all.
 
I have both as well FSX-SE which I have yet to download, however to be honest I have not fired up either sim for some time. I seem to playing with War Thunder and Assetto Corsa now, guess when Project Cars is released that will take more of my time.
So I am sure at some point I will get back to the flying and download 2.5 P3D.
 
Just found out that P3D does not have a full screen mode so that is a problem for me because I use Nvidia DSR and it only works in full screen.
 
I use DSR with my 980 and it works full screen mode in P2.5. So I don't know where you got that information.

Creeps
 
TeiscoDelRay said:
Just found out that P3D does not have a full screen mode so that is a problem for me because I use Nvidia DSR and it only works in full screen.
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What LM calls full screen mode is not the same as the full screen exclusive (FSE) mode in FSX. P3D uses a simulated fullscreen mode. This means that NVidia Inspector 1/2 refresh rate Vsynch does not work in P3D. The result is that for many people it is impossible to fly turns without screen tearing.

DSR has nothing to do with this, it works with P3D, just make sure you have in game Display - Graphics "Black out desktop" and "Auto fill main view" checked.

Here is a good explanation of the difference between windowed, simulated fullscreen and FSE:
http://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/topic/why-not-also-a-true-full-screen/page/3/#post-50294
 
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