papab
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C-97 BETA now available for download!
- Thread starter papab
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srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
That's the joy of a public Beta - you get to test it.
Wow... I'm on my dev laptop away from home atm, but I couldn't resist downloading it to take a peek. Started it up, had a quick takeoff, poked around some... Very, very impressive! The VC textures, especially looking ahead where it counts, are great. And that monitor panel is really concise and nice to use. Great fun to fire up the engines one at a time in an outside view using the panel.
Can't wait to play with it some more when I get home tonight. Thanks very, very much!!
Can't wait to play with it some more when I get home tonight. Thanks very, very much!!
cavaricooper
SOH-CM-2023
Ian Warren
Charter Member
I'm going in , crank those props will ya 
Double J
Charter Member
Do we have a running list? Nice bird to fly!
Altimeter settings stick in the thousands.
Reverse props in op.
half the wings are invisible from the cockpit views.
BendyFlyer
Charter Member
Good so far. Sound and visuals are clean and the sim model appears pretty true to my eye. Handles well and stable in flight. No issues there with flight dynamics.
I cannot get any gauges or switches to show in the main panel, overhead panel and centre pedestal (the surfaces are all blank):
There are no switches for the interior or exterior lights, electrical systems, generators, electrical bus, starters, cowl flaps,
There are no radio navigation, communication radios, transponders. weather radar and or gps or FMC units or systems available. No way of checking whether RMI and VOR/ILS Gauge were operative.
there is reference to the gauges in the panel.cfg file but no display in VC.
There is no autopilot.
The pressure altimeters do not show change in altitude.
The radar altimeter does not show any changes of altitude.
The flap position indicator appears a little oversized.
For information and action I guess, this is really going to be a very nice simulator aeroplane to fly and get to spend time simming with. Great work so far. Understand this is Beta, hope the above helps.
I cannot get any gauges or switches to show in the main panel, overhead panel and centre pedestal (the surfaces are all blank):
There are no switches for the interior or exterior lights, electrical systems, generators, electrical bus, starters, cowl flaps,
There are no radio navigation, communication radios, transponders. weather radar and or gps or FMC units or systems available. No way of checking whether RMI and VOR/ILS Gauge were operative.
there is reference to the gauges in the panel.cfg file but no display in VC.
There is no autopilot.
The pressure altimeters do not show change in altitude.
The radar altimeter does not show any changes of altitude.
The flap position indicator appears a little oversized.
For information and action I guess, this is really going to be a very nice simulator aeroplane to fly and get to spend time simming with. Great work so far. Understand this is Beta, hope the above helps.
Double J
Charter Member
Try Shift 4, brings up a pop up panel. Not everything is functional but it makes it flyable.
Bill Kestell
Charter Member
Manfred ... once again you've outdone yourself. Thanks just doesn't seem adequate ... but it's the best I could come up with.
WarHorse47
SOH-CM-2024
Agreed. Great job on the BETA.
Most of the obvious items have already been mentioned.
Two on my list include the need to add VC gauge and cockpit lighting, and a means of entering the ADF frequency.
One thing I encountered was a disconnect between the manual start and the combined throttles. When I attempted a manual start per checklist with engine 3, I got no response so I ended up starting the engines with Ctrl-E. Once back in the VC I wanted to taxi, but only had power to engine 3. I then realized (by the low manifold pressure) that I needed to manually start the remaining engines although the props were turning on all of them. Once I had all the engines powered up, my throttle only added power to one engine. I ended up reloading the aircraft to be able to move all four throttles with my single joystick throttle (hope that makes sense). Not sure what I'm saying here, but I guess it would be nice to have an additional gauge that would synchronize the throttles all four engines after a manual start??
Cheers
Manfred et al, thanks for an outstanding effort and result. It's probably fair to say that your work and that of the others on the c97
team are more appreciated than you will all ever know.
I think I have a new observation in the spirit of beta commentary.
The outside wing and engine views appear to work great for me...while the aircraft is on the ground. Once airborne these views clip off a good portion
of the wings and engines, in effect you see 'through' the parts. I'm using a TrackIR5 and it may indeed be related to this but what stumps me is why the views are perfect on the ground but
corrupt while flying.
The above is completely ineffective in diminishing my enjoyment of this wonderful bird.
team are more appreciated than you will all ever know.
I think I have a new observation in the spirit of beta commentary.
The outside wing and engine views appear to work great for me...while the aircraft is on the ground. Once airborne these views clip off a good portion
of the wings and engines, in effect you see 'through' the parts. I'm using a TrackIR5 and it may indeed be related to this but what stumps me is why the views are perfect on the ground but
corrupt while flying.
The above is completely ineffective in diminishing my enjoyment of this wonderful bird.
Alan_A
Charter Member
I noticed the same re: outside views in flight - also using Track IR 5.
I left a note in the other thread about high ground friction in P3D 2.5 but that may in fact be realistic, or may have something to do with Accu-Feel or with P3D itself (I've seen the issue in a few other aircraft).
None of which keeps me from saying - what a fantastic piece of work!
I left a note in the other thread about high ground friction in P3D 2.5 but that may in fact be realistic, or may have something to do with Accu-Feel or with P3D itself (I've seen the issue in a few other aircraft).
None of which keeps me from saying - what a fantastic piece of work!
Your comments, and some answers
First, many thanks to all for screenshots, videos, paints, and comments. All very much appreciated indeed. Keep them coming.
In the following, I'll reply to some of the comments by quoting snippets. Again, many thanks for acting as testers.
CTD
--I had a routine install up until it asked me to accept the first (I think) gauge. I must have done something wrong to this routine question, because I immediately had a CTD. Now I get a CTD every time I select the C-97. My problem is that I now don't know how to get back to that approval point again (removing the C-97 folder and installing again just gives me the same CTD when selecting the C-97). … by process of elimination I have discovered that the "fsx_event_logger.gau" is what got screwed up. If someone knows how to rectify my issue with it (in the "fsx.cfg" file entry?) please speak up. I merely removed mine to get the C-97 operable, but I'm sure this missing gauge now precludes a bunch of functionality.
The event logger gauge is purely for diagnostic purposes, and you can safely leave it deactivated. Indeed I believe the acceptance status of gauges is written into FSX.cfg, so that's a clue you might want to follow up. However, even refusing a gauge shouldn't lead to a CTD so perhaps there's more here than meets the eye.
VC matters
-- Altimeters inoperative. Thanks, will look it up and report back.
-- Overhead switches and gauges missing. Sorry, that is the current state of the VC. Atm many VC gauge functions have been delegated to the Monitor gauge.
-- need to add VC gauge and cockpit lighting, and a means of entering the ADF frequency. OK, noted.
Cameraviews
-- half the wings are invisible from the cockpit views. That's because they are 2D panel views of the exterior only, not proper VC views. The VC doesn't yet have any wingviews.
Operation
--Reverse props in op. Depends how you trigger it perhaps. Try Monitor > Engines > REV mid click to arm, then L-click REV or key Water Rudder. Should do the trick. Move throttle for speed control. Easily manages bends and corners, too! Personally, I have put water rudder on a joystick button and once REV is armed you are only a button press away from Reverse (even in the air, so watchit!)
Monitor Gauge
--Some of the controls on the shift+4 overhead aren't working. These should all be working. Details pls?
--One thing I encountered was a disconnect between the manual start and the combined throttles. When I attempted a manual start per checklist with engine 3, I got no response so I ended up starting the engines with Ctrl-E. Once back in the VC I wanted to taxi, but only had power to engine 3. I then realized (by the low manifold pressure) that I needed to manually start the remaining engines although the props were turning on all of them. Once I had all the engines powered up, my throttle only added power to one engine. I ended up reloading the aircraft to be able to move all four throttles with my single joystick throttle (hope that makes sense). Not sure what I'm saying here, but I guess it would be nice to have an additional gauge that would synchronize the throttles all four engines after a manual start??
Why, naturally. Click Monitor > Engines to re-select all of them , or R-click any single one. Check the engine numbers all turn bright. Just E should also work, I suppose.
Textures
--I noticed there's no bump map for no.3 texture (vertical stab, engines, pylons and fuel tanks)? I realize this is a beta, so is there a bump.coming or should I make one? will it even work if I do? No, because no BUMP is actually specified for the material. I did have one originally, then dropped it because it blew up the size of the model and had little to show for it, I thought. Might reconsider it for an update, though.
First, many thanks to all for screenshots, videos, paints, and comments. All very much appreciated indeed. Keep them coming.
In the following, I'll reply to some of the comments by quoting snippets. Again, many thanks for acting as testers.
CTD
--I had a routine install up until it asked me to accept the first (I think) gauge. I must have done something wrong to this routine question, because I immediately had a CTD. Now I get a CTD every time I select the C-97. My problem is that I now don't know how to get back to that approval point again (removing the C-97 folder and installing again just gives me the same CTD when selecting the C-97). … by process of elimination I have discovered that the "fsx_event_logger.gau" is what got screwed up. If someone knows how to rectify my issue with it (in the "fsx.cfg" file entry?) please speak up. I merely removed mine to get the C-97 operable, but I'm sure this missing gauge now precludes a bunch of functionality.
The event logger gauge is purely for diagnostic purposes, and you can safely leave it deactivated. Indeed I believe the acceptance status of gauges is written into FSX.cfg, so that's a clue you might want to follow up. However, even refusing a gauge shouldn't lead to a CTD so perhaps there's more here than meets the eye.
VC matters
-- Altimeters inoperative. Thanks, will look it up and report back.
-- Overhead switches and gauges missing. Sorry, that is the current state of the VC. Atm many VC gauge functions have been delegated to the Monitor gauge.
-- need to add VC gauge and cockpit lighting, and a means of entering the ADF frequency. OK, noted.
Cameraviews
-- half the wings are invisible from the cockpit views. That's because they are 2D panel views of the exterior only, not proper VC views. The VC doesn't yet have any wingviews.
Operation
--Reverse props in op. Depends how you trigger it perhaps. Try Monitor > Engines > REV mid click to arm, then L-click REV or key Water Rudder. Should do the trick. Move throttle for speed control. Easily manages bends and corners, too! Personally, I have put water rudder on a joystick button and once REV is armed you are only a button press away from Reverse (even in the air, so watchit!)
Monitor Gauge
--Some of the controls on the shift+4 overhead aren't working. These should all be working. Details pls?
--One thing I encountered was a disconnect between the manual start and the combined throttles. When I attempted a manual start per checklist with engine 3, I got no response so I ended up starting the engines with Ctrl-E. Once back in the VC I wanted to taxi, but only had power to engine 3. I then realized (by the low manifold pressure) that I needed to manually start the remaining engines although the props were turning on all of them. Once I had all the engines powered up, my throttle only added power to one engine. I ended up reloading the aircraft to be able to move all four throttles with my single joystick throttle (hope that makes sense). Not sure what I'm saying here, but I guess it would be nice to have an additional gauge that would synchronize the throttles all four engines after a manual start??
Why, naturally. Click Monitor > Engines to re-select all of them , or R-click any single one. Check the engine numbers all turn bright. Just E should also work, I suppose.
Textures
--I noticed there's no bump map for no.3 texture (vertical stab, engines, pylons and fuel tanks)? I realize this is a beta, so is there a bump.coming or should I make one? will it even work if I do? No, because no BUMP is actually specified for the material. I did have one originally, then dropped it because it blew up the size of the model and had little to show for it, I thought. Might reconsider it for an update, though.
DaveB
Charter Member
Manfred..
Re certain things not working on the overhead(Shift+4).. I was probably unlucky that the second thing I tried didn't work. I've been through them all again just and on the MISC panel.. CA (I presume CAbin lights) isn't clickable. On the BOOM panel.. it's probably my ignorance as much as anything else but of the bottom 4 selections.. PDI, UGD, AGF, UAGFD.. only PDI seems to be 'live'. I don't know what the others mean anyway
I tried reversing the props (with no noticeable effect) but couldn't remember what you'd put here!! dimwit!
ATB
DaveB
Re certain things not working on the overhead(Shift+4).. I was probably unlucky that the second thing I tried didn't work. I've been through them all again just and on the MISC panel.. CA (I presume CAbin lights) isn't clickable. On the BOOM panel.. it's probably my ignorance as much as anything else but of the bottom 4 selections.. PDI, UGD, AGF, UAGFD.. only PDI seems to be 'live'. I don't know what the others mean anyway
I tried reversing the props (with no noticeable effect) but couldn't remember what you'd put here!! dimwit!ATB
DaveB
