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C-97 BETA now available for download!

I can indeed gray eagle. I'm not sure why Ctrl+shift+F1 isn't working on both occasions as this is a default keystroke but I'll try it myself again:)

Obviously.. Ctrl+E is the quickest way to get things running but a bit too quick if that makes sense. I find the shift+9 option a bit laborious and in between lies the shift+4 overhead. This one wins for me. Whether the overhead is unrealistic or not.. it seems to fit with the C-97 well (it's not glaringly modern) and I like the whole concept of it a lot. Although I bought a TrackIR5+Trackclip Pro only last week (a birthday present to myself).. I'm still not a huge fan of VC's. FS9 and 2D's was for me the golden era and this overhead kinda brings a bit of that back;)

Ed.. I did hit the APPR button on my last flight.. without really looking where I was (I was checking something else) and when I actually saw where I was.. I wasn't surprised it didn't acquire. Further investigation showed the airfield didn't even have ILS:banghead: Wot a dingbat!!ggg Glad you've found it acquires and holds well. The only slight oddity I've seen with the AP is in it's initial hold or maybe.. it's first turn from a given heading. It moves right then moves left to gather the heading. I've no idea why some model/AP combinations do this but many do. After that.. its fine.

Think I'll take it from Culdrose to Gibraltar tomorrow. That should blow a few cobwebs out!
ATB
DaveB:)
 
gray eagle..

I've had another look at this and I think I know the reason for what you're seeing.. eg.. ctrl+shift+F1 not shutting down all the engines if you use the overhead to start.

Once you've started the engines with the overhead.. you have to move the cursor over the 1234 section of the overhead.. the engine selectors.. and then right click. Right clicking locks all 4 throttle levers together so you can control them with a single controller (eg, the throttle wheel on your joystick). If you don't.. the last engine started will be the active.. 'live' engine so when you open the throttles.. only engine 1's lever will move forward. If you use ctrl+shift+F1 under these circumstances.. only engine 1 will cut (or the last engine you started on the overhead). I've started and stopped the engines a number of times just using the overhead to start and ctrl+shift+F1 to cut the fuel and it works every time.. UNLESS you don't RIGHT click on the 1234. Then.. only the last engine started will have it's fuel cut;)

ATB
DaveB:)
 
Smoke Test #2 (wip)

Created two smoke fx files and code this in the xml file. In the video you will see cruise smoke and max power smoke as they transition. Also when pushing the throttles there is a momentary richness of the carbs causing darker puffs of smoke, then back to a lighter smoke. I've set it up where as the radials are running based on age or not tuned exactly alike.




 
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Engine Start Using OH Panel (Shift 4)

Sorry for having to post this ? I have read all the readme's and have been following this thread, and the other one down below, very closely hoping for an answer. When I try to start engines one at a time using the Shift 4 panel I get no response. I have a saved flight which begins

Here's the sequence I follow.

Start the sim and select the KC-97, which opens in the VC.

1. Shift 4
2. Select engine 3 by left clicking the no.3 in the engines panel. No. 3 "lights up"
3. Move the cursor over the Red engine start box and left click for 5+ secs. the release. The only response is that Mixture goes to 100%. Nothing else happens. The panel and sounds remain still and silent.

Same thing occurs using shift 9. Select engine 3 (E+3) then click and hold the small gray square bottom right. Exactly the same thing happens.

I can start all 4 using the shortcut but I really like to start individual engines.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks
Steve
 
Duckie said:
Engine Start Using OH Panel (Shift 4)

Sorry for having to post this ? I have read all the readme's and have been following this thread, and the other one down below, very closely hoping for an answer. When I try to start engines one at a time using the Shift 4 panel I get no response. I have a saved flight which begins

Here's the sequence I follow.

Start the sim and select the KC-97, which opens in the VC.

1. Shift 4
2. Select engine 3 by left clicking the no.3 in the engines panel. No. 3 "lights up"
3. Move the cursor over the Red engine start box and left click for 5+ secs. the release. The only response is that Mixture goes to 100%. Nothing else happens. The panel and sounds remain still and silent.

Same thing occurs using shift 9. Select engine 3 (E+3) then click and hold the small gray square bottom right. Exactly the same thing happens.

I can start all 4 using the shortcut but I really like to start individual engines.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks
Steve
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Don't really know, Steve, first report of this happening, but in such a case I would test as follows.

1 -- DON't use a saved flight, start an entirely new one and retry.

2 -- Alternatively, start a new flight with the default Cessna, then change aircraft to the C-97, shut down engines, and retry.

3 -- if error persists paste a clipped screenshot here showing the current values on the Monitor panels.

4 -- this might be a situation where the event logger gauge via Shift-1 might provide useful information.
 
More questions and answers

--How do I shut down all engines at the same time?
As noted in thread, any one of (1) Ctrl-Shift-F1; (2) mixture levers to cut-off; (3) (not noted so far) Monitor (all engines selected) > Engines > Mix > red "x".
To cut engines individually: Monitor > select engine # > Mix > red "x"
(Always re-select ALL engines after single engine ops: by hitting E, or clicking "Engines", or R-clicking any single engine.)

-- regarding the texture bump map. would it be possible to add in the number 3 bump as a placeholder even if you don't create it yourself? That way someone could create one if they wanted to? A blank one essentially. I'll very likely do that for the next update.

--radio altimeter not working. Looking into it.

-- altimeter not working (collated from previous posts)
Copy these lines to aircraft.cfg (thanks Marc). Press B in sim to update pressure setting (thanks falcon409)
[altimeters]
altimeter.0=1
altimeter.1=1
altimeter.2=1
altimeter.3=1

-- Shift+3 (Monitor Help) panel is an odd one. It comes and goes fine when using the ? button in the top LH corner and once open, it will open and close fine with Shift+3. However.. if you close it with the ? then try and open it using shift+3.. it flashes briefly then disappears. Looking into it; use ? in Monitor for the time being.

(I will collect these and previous questions and answers as a FAQ thread in Dan's Strat forum. Link to follow.)

Thanks again all for these very useful questions and bug reports.
 
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mjahn said:
Don't really know, Steve, first report of this happening, but in such a case I would test as follows.

1 -- DON't use a saved flight, start an entirely new one and retry.

2 -- Alternatively, start a new flight with the default Cessna, then change aircraft to the C-97, shut down engines, and retry.

3 -- if error persists paste a clipped screenshot here showing the current values on the Monitor panels.

4 -- this might be a situation where the event logger gauge via Shift-1 might provide useful information.
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Thank you MJ for the quick response. I have tried the steps you outlined above with no change in result. Below are screen shots of the Monitor Panels at each step. I activated the event logger for 2 tries and it logged 135 events for the 2 two attempts at engine start.


Initial Sim entry call Monitor Screen Shift 4
View attachment 21936

Select Engine 3
View attachment 21935

Press Start Button 5+ seconds (left mouse click).
View attachment 21934

Release Start Button - Mixture goes from 0 to 100% but nothing else happens
View attachment 21933
 
Steve..

Looking at that shot.. do you have the fuel taps open? Ctrl+shift+F4 and confirm the levers are open visually. Shift+4 will show mixture at 100 if the fuel cocks are open and the engines are cold;)

ATB
DaveB:)
 
DaveB said:
Steve..

Looking at that shot.. do you have the fuel taps open? Ctrl+shift+F4 and confirm the levers are open visually. Shift+4 will show mixture at 100 if the fuel cocks are open and the engines are cold;)

ATB
DaveB:)
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Hi Dave, yes, fuel mixture levers are full forward, 100%. I have worked it 100% by the checklist making the stated settings before attempting to start, both in the Monitor panel and the Shift 9 box. No Joy.

I may have a bad install because I can't get the AP working properly either. I can set altitude and heading and they work fine but I cannot get the speed set working at all. Once it gets to selected height and heading the throttles begin to automatically retard until they are at 10% and the plane will then begin its battle to maintain AP height until it stalls. I have to release AP and run the throttles to 100% then 10% then advance and they will finally begin to add power.

:dizzy:
 
Hi Steve:wavey:

Yup.. it could well be a bad install. Having seen your post.. I sat on the runway, cut the fuel (ctrl+shift+F1) and noted the reading in shift+4. It showed mixture 0. I then opened them all again using Ctrl+shift+F4 and the engine panel on shift+4 showed mixture 100. Your first shots showed mixture 0 which prompted the question. It's worth downloading and trying again just to be sure;)

Not tried speed hold yet. It sounds like it might be sacrificing altitude to maintain speed (common in a lot of older AP's) and losing the plot though this may be down to something else given the probs you've seen starting from cold. It's a bit of a pain but I always start with a default model.. the Cessna in my case.. as this sets the sim up with default code active. I'll give the speed hold a go now;)
ATB
DaveB:)
 
Steve..

I'm having no luck with Speed hold too. No matter what variation I try.. I see the same as you. It throttles right back.. the nose comes up and it stalls. Could be something obvious but at the moment, I sure can't see it.

ATB
DaveB:)
 
Dave, thanks very much for the AP feedback. Misery loves company, as they say! I will leave the AP alone for now. May try a fresh install later tonight.

Steve
 
Great paint, Jan. There will be a L version, once we have figured out the jet power settings and sounds. And the engines are on sheet 3 just where the tanks are, so it should only be a small cut and paste job.

DaveB said:
I'm having no luck with Speed hold too. No matter what variation I try.. I see the same as you. It throttles right back.. the nose comes up and it stalls. Could be something obvious but at the moment, I sure can't see it.
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Yup, speed hold is tricky. I have put a "handle with care" in the Help screen but I agree that's not very helpful. What happens is that once it is activated it will take over throttle to either reduce or increase speed until it reaches the target speed. So you never really want it for a target speed of 0, which is the initial value. Else what happens is what Dave describes. Instead, when already flying at a sensible speed of say 220, mid-click the value and it will set 220 (tooltip: mid-click for current). Only then lower or raise this value as intended (keeping an eye open for what Throttle does). It is pretty much essential for air refuelling ops. Also when ATC tells you to fly at a specific speed, it is definitely a nice thing to have. But you need to check it from time to time.

(Steve I am looking at your screenies. The things that look wrong in screen #4 are Throttle 53 and Props 0 -- those should be 10 and 100. Can you dial them in at this stage? I'll check further though.)
 
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Hi Manfred:wavey:

Suspecting a complete throttle back if I left SPEED at 0.. I'd taken the precaution of dialling in a target speed first. I also made sure I was cruising straight and level and as close to my target speed as possible before engaging Speed.. the idea being to give it as little to do as possible. I should have mentioned this in my earlier post:banghead: When that didn't work.. I tried again.. straight and level.. speed constant. Same thing.. full throttle back.. airspeed decay and pitch up as the AP tried to maintain ALT. I disengaged and tried again.. same routine but this time, I disconnected ALT in case this was in some way interfering with Speed. This time.. it simply throttled back and both airspeed and alt decayed. After a few more goes.. I gave up!

After reading your post.. I shall continue to try. Something obvious might poke me in the eye;)
ATB
DaveB:)
 
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