Call for research material... (Fairchild C119G Boxcar)

[AussieMan]

This project has brought back memories for me. I had a 1/72 scale model as a young fella. An Airfix kit from memory.

 

[mvg3d]

This project has brought back memories for me. I had a 1/72 scale model as a young fella. An Airfix kit from memory.

Hi Aussie,
The model You remember was an Aurora kit, its scale was just a little bigger than 1/72, I remember it had working ramp with a Jeep (?), Italeri had in catalogue a completely new one (1/72) during '80/'90 with also Italian roundels, in the same years Italeri produced also an AC-119 with jet....

 

[mal998]

Firekitten,
Regarding the jet engine, you might set it up as a third radial engine with nitrous enabled, with an independant starter, throttle, and set of modified gauges that mimic jet engine function. I don't know if the gauges can even be transformed from radial to mimic jet guages but it's worth some thought by a really inventive coder.

 

[Firekitten]

Everyone needs somewhere to sit...

 

[DaveB]

I think the areas covered by E thru H are the ailerons and that diagram may be a little deceptive. The inboard section is the flap and everything from that outboard is the aileron.. in one big piece. I've just looked a multitude of shots.. many of them large and at a good angle.. and I can't see anything to suggest the ailerons are split.

ATB
DaveB

 

[falcon409]

I think the areas covered by E thru H are the ailerons and that diagram may be a little deceptive. The inboard section is the flap and everything from that outboard is the aileron.. in one big piece. I've just looked a multitude of shots.. many of them large and at a good angle.. and I can't see anything to suggest the ailerons are split.

ATB
DaveB

Agreed. I think what appears to be a break is actually an additional interior rib placed for stability.

 

[falcon409]

lol, and now I'm not so sure!!

 

[DaveB]

hahahahaha..

Good find Ed. They're very definitely split aren't they!! Thinking about it.. I've an idea the Vanguard ailerons had a convoluted arrangement like this. I was a volunteer on the example (the only example) at Brooklands but I've not been able to get down there since I moved to the Midlands so I should know this but sadly.. the old brainbox aint what it once was
ATB
DaveB

 

[Daveroo]

i realize this is of no help to you on the project,BUT i remember seeing a C-119 airtanker make a drop in the American river canyon near my home,if you google Auburn Ca,look for the fairgrounds, Gold Country Fairgrounds,then look east to the river,you will see the auburn dam project's visitor parking lot,used to be a large building on stilts at the south eastern side near the dirt,was a great view of the dam project,it had a huge wooden deck,which was atleast 50 feet off the ground ,we were on the deck watching the fire on the El Dorado side of the river,there were still F7Fs fighting the fire when this C-119 dropped over the visitors center and into the canyon and pulled up sharply and made an up hill drop,was pretty awesome,but the reason it stands out as a favorite witnessed drop for me,was all the men,dad and his other fireman buddies talking about how dangerous the C-119 was.i then grew up thinking it was a death trap!!...didnt they call them the "flying Coffin"?

the big parking lot is also where Camp Flint was at one time,well during World War Two,a prisoner of war camp housing German and Italian soldiers from the North African campaign.growing up,i remember several men here who were prisoners there during the war,and one man,was the father of one of dads best friends,an Italian man,after the war John was so inlove with this area he went back to Italy and got his wife and children,twin boys,and brought them back here,one son don has past,but ron is still with us...he has cancer ,as did don,but one of rons meds cost 12 grand a pill,im not lying...$12,000.00 a pill !!,ron has alot of money due to a large and profitable construction company,and has good insurance,,but he still pays $2,000.00 for each.both ron and dan were on the deck with dad and i,the fire was across the river in that county,therefore they werent active on the fire,but there were 4 fire engines in the lot waiting for any spots...

oh god i rambled again...........someone shoot me please........

 

[falcon409]

hahahahaha..

Good find Ed. They're very definitely split aren't they!! Thinking about it.. I've an idea the Vanguard ailerons had a convoluted arrangement like this. I was a volunteer on the example (the only example) at Brooklands but I've not been able to get down there since I moved to the Midlands so I should know this but sadly.. the old brainbox aint what it once was
ATB
DaveB

I know what ya mean Dave. I took my one and only ride on /in a C-119 in the late 60's on a deployment to Stewart AFB from North Texas, (Perrin AFB). All I can remember is that I hoped it would stay in one piece til we got home, lol.

 

[Tako_Kichi]

I just studied the images that Tankerguy72 linked to and while the text was difficult to read when enlarged I think I've deciphered the control system.

There are two ailerons per wing and they do work in unison.

Part H is actually a Flettner tab (a.k.a. a servo tab) and not an anti-servo tab (they work in the opposite direction).

Interestingly the rudders are also fitted with Flettner tabs but in this case the rudder is actually free-floating and the pilot controls the tab only. Wind deflection then moves the rudder to the required position.

The tab is so far from the rudder hinge point it actually exerts a lot of pressure thanks to leverage and the pilot only has to move a small tab so the controls feel light to him while still having the ability to move the large rudders.

An intriguing arrangement that was also used on the Bristol Britannia and it's Canadian variants.

 

[DaveB]

Indeed mate. One type exerts additional pressure to the controls (which would otherwise be too light) and the other lightens the input needed on what would otherwise be a heavy action. All very clever stuff and far too clever for me!

ATB
DaveB

 

[tankerguy72]

Not sure if these help at all but theyre from the C-82

 

[tankerguy72]

Cant wait to throw some paint the new one. This is a photo real texture I did for the FS9 model a couple years ago.

 

[Matt Wynn]

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! still very, VERY early days with the girl! lots of lines and rivets to do before I let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the AO etc...)

 

[gaucho_59]

looking great Matt!

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! still very, VERY early days with the girl! lots of lines and rivets to do before I let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the AO etc...)

will follow your progress avidly... Happy Holidays
Carlos

 

[roger-wilco-66]

That looks awesome, Matt!!

 

[Firekitten]

First shots of the cockpit incoming... some parts not mapped, others basic and unfinished (Gauges are placeholder for testing at the moment, we haven't decided if we're going 2d for speed or 3d yet, will see, but she's got her first paint thrown at the vc, rudder pedals are the next task... get them right, then floor...

 

[tjsdn1375]

First shots of the cockpit incoming... some parts not mapped, others basic and unfinished (Gauges are placeholder for testing at the moment, we haven't decided if we're going 2d for speed or 3d yet, will see, but she's got her first paint thrown at the vc, rudder pedals are the next task... get them right, then floor...

Nice Shot!!!!

 

[airattackimages]

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! Still very, very early days with the girl! Lots of lines and rivets to do before i let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the ao etc...)

drooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!