A definition of insanity

[jmig]

The picture says a thousand words. Why do I continue to torture myself with this absolute, total, unmitigated POS.

This was a reload after spending 30 minutes setting up switches and starting the engines, only to have the jet go careening through a B-37 and off the apron onto the grass; even though the throttles were back to the stops.

 

[SpaceHippy1975]

Maybe the control binding for throttles need reversing?

I seem to remember having to do that once, can't remember what aircraft it was though! doesn't help the whole control binding set up within MSFS2024 is a wee bit of a pain when I either forget to save certain control bindings to all aircraft, or when I did remember to save, some glitch stops it saving!

Keith.

 

[LouP]

You guys ever think of using an external app to control your equipment like Spad.Next or FSUIPC? I've started migrating over to Spad.next myself and already like the fact that after I set up an aircraft in a profile, the profile automictically changes to the correct profile when you switch aircraft. FSUIPC does the same and I've used that in the past but Spad.next just seems to offer more at the moment for me. Plus, the profiles can be carried over from MSFS to 2024 so no need to reprogram everything. Just a thought.

However, that won't help you to remember to check and make sure that your throttle isn't set to wide open when you load up (how do I know this? lol)

LouP

 

[JohnC]

I do agree with Lou, I switched over to Spad.neXt for control mapping and have been pretty pleased with the results.

For the MSFS and a definition of insanity......I have a skewed take. I view DCS as the cold start sim, and have checklists for every aircraft (here). MSFS is the 'kick the tires' simulator for a huge variety of aircraft and world navigation / exploration. It means that 'cold start' is a status for an aircraft to achieve in MSFS, where module-specific control mapping is earned after several flights. I have my own set of requirements for what should be achieved after those proving flights....but it's not particularly relevant. Everyone has their own list of what makes a great add-on.

 

[LouP]

So, after I posted that, I took a flight in 2020 in a L39 from the Reno package, and it was just broken. Analog ASI was kaput, it read 60 knots while a glass gauge read 330 knots and the gns 430 in the cockpit was completely unclickable. I thought it may have been a VR thing so I went into 2D and nope, broken. Got me thinking if things are still broken in 2020, what chance is there of getting 2024 fixed? I found myself looking at alternatives the other day because of another incident, including re-installing P3D v4.5 as I still have a ton of ORBX stuff just begging to be re-installed into P3D.

I figure that right about when 2024 is just about repaired, they will be shoving 2026 down our throats anyway. Should have fixed 2020 before moving on but I'm just grumpy right now!

LouP

 

[Priller]

It's just that there is no way to run both 2020 and 2024 together. I've deleted 2024 and now 2020 is running beautifully.

2024 is graphically brilliant, but functionally an effing disaster.

Priller

 

[Navy Chief]

Today I tried three times to do a quick flight. All three attempts ended with the sim freezing, requiring me to shut it down via Task Manager. Finally had enough for one day. Microsoft truly bombed bad this time. NC

 

[jmig]

You guys ever think of using an external app to control your equipment like Spad.Next or FSUIPC? I've started migrating over to Spad.next myself and already like the fact that after I set up an aircraft in a profile, the profile automictically changes to the correct profile when you switch aircraft. FSUIPC does the same and I've used that in the past but Spad.next just seems to offer more at the moment for me. Plus, the profiles can be carried over from MSFS to 2024 so no need to reprogram everything. Just a thought.

However, that won't help you to remember to check and make sure that your throttle isn't set to wide open when you load up (how do I know this? lol)

LouP

I use Axis&Ohs, along with FSUIPC. I own Spad.Next but find it to hard to use. Yes, I had the throttles set correctly. Tomorrow I am going back to flying DCS.

 

[DaveKDEN]

I'm guessing you already checked, but it could be a key binding on another controller (or keyboard) is set to full throttle. I don't like the MSFS2024 keyboard/controller setup at all, but you get used to using it after some practice. Every now and then, I discover a conflicting binding.

 

[jmig]

I'm guessing you already checked, but it could be a key binding on another controller (or keyboard) is set to full throttle. I don't like the MSFS2024 keyboard/controller setup at all, but you get used to using it after some practice. Every now and then, I discover a conflicting binding.

Dave, the only controls set to MSFS2024 & 2020 are things, like my rudder/brakes. Settings that I will never use on another controller. Since, I go from a Wingwin side-stick to an Alpha yoke, none of the functions are assigned to the sim's bindings.

It used to be that I could assign, say the gear handle, to two different controllers (in my case a Leo Bodnar I/O card and the Bravo throttle system. No more, not only will they conflict with each other, the cockpit leaver won't function either. So, I use the third-party programs to set the functions. If it is a GA airplane it goes the the Bravo. If it is a fighter, it goes to the gear handle on the left, which is connected to an I/O card.

I have run into the problem you mentioned. I learned the trial and error (mostly error) way to set them up with third-party programs.

 

[DaveKDEN]

Dave, the only controls set to MSFS2024 & 2020 are things, like my rudder/brakes. Settings that I will never use on another controller. Since, I go from a Wingwin side-stick to an Alpha yoke, none of the functions are assigned to the sim's bindings.

It used to be that I could assign, say the gear handle, to two different controllers (in my case a Leo Bodnar I/O card and the Bravo throttle system. No more, not only will they conflict with each other, the cockpit leaver won't function either. So, I use the third-party programs to set the functions. If it is a GA airplane it goes the the Bravo. If it is a fighter, it goes to the gear handle on the left, which is connected to an I/O card.

I have run into the problem you mentioned. I learned the trial and error (mostly error) way to set them up with third-party programs.

I'm really sorry you're having problems with FS24. While it still (obviously) needs refining, I've been enjoying it more than any other version I've ever had. I've actually uninstalled FS20.
In any case I hope things will eventually get sorted out for you (and everyone).

 

[Priller]

I hope M$ get things sorted and make it into a mature, stable and user friendly flightsim, so that all of us can (re)install and enjoy it.

Priller

 

[tiger1962]

It seems that the new sims, 2020 and 2024, are released with compatibility for only the most basic controller configuration: one monitor, keyboard, mouse, and possibly a yoke and pedals.
This is my setup, I like to keep it simple so that I can quickly find whether a glitch is due to me or the sim itself.
2024 is working pretty well for me so far - ATC and AI aircraft need some attention but I can easily work around my ATC issues without resorting to third party payware options.

 

[Priller]

My biggest gripe is the controller setup. I should look into software for that. Axis and Oh's comes to mind (or whatever it is called)

But setting up the controllers through the user interface of the sim itself is a nightmare.

For the time being though, 2020 is doing a really fine job!

Priller

 

[tiger1962]

But setting up the controllers through the user interface of the sim itself is a nightmare.

I used the FS2020 compatibility settings, and gradually added any default FS2024 bindings as required, such as the pilot walkaround commands which didn't exist in FS2020.

 

[michaelvader]

good evening,
when I read all the threats about the sims as msfs 20020 or 2024 - oije oije oije
I am glad to still have my good old FS2004 on my old windows xp pc.
Wonder if some people will not come back to this perhaps old sim?
It is quiet easier and I believe that all its potential are still not explored to the end.
Best regards
Michael

 

[Priller]

good evening,
when I read all the threats about the sims as msfs 20020 or 2024 - oije oije oije
I am glad to still have my good old FS2004 on my old windows xp pc.
Wonder if some people will not come back to this perhaps old sim?
It is quiet easier and I believe that all its potential are still not explored to the end.
Best regards
Michael

I've had FS9 for years, it's a nice sim. But as soon as you've tasted/seen the visual quality of MSFS2020, it's very difficult to go back in my humble opinion.

I have that issue with all the legacy sims. FS9, FSX, Prepar3D (whatever version), they just don't even come close.

Priller

 

[michaelvader]

good evening,
you are certainly right when you say the new sims beeing nicer.
But what does it bring to be nicer when not working without problems?
Or if you need big pc's and other hardware to make them work.
I wonder if in france or germany users make them work right -I just think of our net connectivity here in brittany.
And when I see how much FREE addons one can find for the old sim. And what one can do self to enhance the sime
with out the need to spend a lot of money.
Perhaps it is as with good wine - with the time going by they get better - I hope for you
Best regards
Kenavo from Brittany
Michael

 

[Priller]

Michael,

I live in Belgium. I don't think that there's that much difference in connectivity between Belgium, Germany or France.

And in my humble opinion, at least MSFS 2020 is indeed a mature sim.

As for the available freeware, of course there's a lot more for FS9 and FSX. They've had 20+ years. 2020 is now 5 years old. But there is already quite a bit of freeware available for it. You shouldn't underestimate the degree of difficulty involved in developing addons for the newer sims. It takes way longer and demands a lot more technical skills than for the legacy sims.

Cheers,

Priller

 

[tommieboy]

good evening,
when I read all the threats about the sims as msfs 20020 or 2024 - oije oije oije
I am glad to still have my good old FS2004 on my old windows xp pc.
Wonder if some people will not come back to this perhaps old sim?
It is quiet easier and I believe that all its potential are still not explored to the end.
Best regards
Michael

After Steam pulled the plug on FSX for Windows 7 and 8 users, I considered reinstalling FS2004, but I couldn't find my original disks. It's odd, as I still have many of my older non-MS flight sims sitting around the garage.

Stuff like this:

I moved over to X-Plane 11 to tide me over; it's been a couple of years now. But as of this month, the wifey has put the kabash on all repairs or replacement of this old rig. So I may have to figure out how to sim on my smartphone sooner rather than later.



Tommy