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likewise.... i'm with FK and Stalin (SteveB), there's not much more can be added, at the end of the day it's 'Horses for courses', for example i do not like photoreal paints (elements on a paint yes, all over, no) as they to my eye look out of place with a semi-real environment, likewise weathering... it can be overdone, underdone, a balance... but at the same time you're going to get criticism. yeah it'd be nice to have more 'thank you'-s, courtesy and manners cost nothing (though i've noticed that's mainly with the younger simmers, those just getting into the hobby in their teens etc...). like Steve i also have done masses of schemes, most of which have never gotten released purely because as artists we have this 'i could have done ____ better, and the _____' we're self critical in a way, each has a style and method unique to that artist... mrJ said it right... we seem to live in this era of (and sorry to quote a Queen song) 'i want it all, and i want it now' (personal viewpoint here with me, and in no way aimed at anyone, just an observation)... some people don't realise that we do it for the fun of it, pitting ourselves against a challenge... and how WE feel once we reach our own goals, we're not machines, we're Human... we have flaws, individuality and our own tastes etc...

this comment from Steve nailed it

"It's time some people took there anoraks off and had some fun."


and that's what simming is about, the joy of flying, for some, this may be systems deep, for others 'strap in and go'... but as i said... 'Horses for Courses' to each their own...
 
IMO, If you don't like a repaint for a certain model... you can always remove it from the list after adding it.... You don't have to say a bloody thing to anyone, period. I usually try out repaints that people upload and if I like them, I will comment to that effect and thank them for their work in the forums. If a repaint, or anything else doesn't work for me, I will simply delete it and quietly forget about it.

I do understand what you are saying about the frustrations with folks who "take, take, take... and never say thanks". I learned years ago that there will ALWAYS be a peanut gallery, but that the majority of folks here DO appreciate the efforts of repainters.. despite the quality. I like to consider myself as one of those people. Just my bit.

BB686:USA-flag:
 
IMHO...

This post has provoked some very long and passionate responses. I don't disagree with any of the responses to the original comment. I'll throw in my two cents.

I personally am drawn towards the stand out projects. I admit to being biased towards FSX native with bumps etc. One of my first paints was Milton's A-26, before it was brought FSX native. The converted FSX model was worth the 300+ additional hours it eventually received from me. Same for the D-18.

Freeware models are getting to the place where they rival or exceed many pay ware. The new C-117D, as a beta is a perfect example. I jumped all over that one as did Jan Kees and Hanimichal. At this time Jan and I have pooled our efforts on one specific skin that Jan will soon release. This particular model may be to shiny for some, too photo real for some, too clean for some, missing a grease stain here or there, the wrong color of white, the right color of polished aluminum, missing a rivet, the ADF is in the wrong location, the props are wrong........
That's all fine. I had a great time developing my skills on the model and I don't care if you fly it or crash it into the ocean. I've been an artist for 57 years. If I took it personal I'd have quit a long time ago.

This is a community where we share our ideas, talents and labor with our friends, brothers and sisters who share our passion. We don't ask anything for our contributions, but a "thank you" is appreciated more than anyone can imagine. Every project, whether it be pay ware or freeware is a work of art. Some are better than others. There are some pay ware companies that stand out, and some that are average. The stand outs I don't touch, in fact I don't really paint much in the way of pay ware.

The bottom line is we respect each other for who and what we are, we are thankful for the work the other guy has created and, most importantly, we honor every artist for their attempt to do their best. Some may fall short, so we look at their WIPs and help them along the way.

Did anyone gripe when TuFun put up his progress shots....I think not. TF did dozens of progress shots on the Howard and look where he finally took her. I can't wait to see the FSX...if that ever happens, but thanks Ted for the endless effort you put in to that model. I for one appreciate your work. Thank you Firekitten, John T, Jan and Hanimichal also. thank you everyone who has ever posted their work on this site. Thank you Milton Shupe.
This is not a competition...

End of rant...I'm going to go add a few tweaks on another file.
 
Firekitten said what's been on my mind for quite some time now.
My paint brushes have long since dried up.

The fun lasts just so long.

By the way, Matt is one of two members here that remember where my repainting skills were when I first began years back. I couldn't finger paint without borking up an FS model back then. Hehe.
 
OleBoy said:
Matt is one of two members here that remember where my repainting skills were when I first began years back. I couldn't finger paint without borking up an FS model back then. Hehe.
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yup i remember those days... the Art Scholl Chipmunk springs to mind... that makes me think though, just how long have i been repainting and a Texture Artist/Painter?... (difference is chalk and cheese, repainters do just that RE-paint, Painters start from scratch) :blind: i remember painting the FS98 Sopwith Camel, then nothing really till FS2004 where i didn't read tutorials of how to paint, i figured it out through trial and error... then came the Mike Stone days, a regular over there at that time, then onto pretty much everything else... then FSX came along and once again, no tutorials, figuring out the Bump and Specular maps...

...hard to believe that i've taught a fair few tricks to painters & repainters over the years, and outlasted a few of them, even today i still teach tricks to the newcomers... shown Firekitten a few tricks (at least i think she got what i meant :isadizzy:, i've a bassackwards way of explaining things :icon_lol:), and i've got to say everyone i've helped/assisted and taught, i'm extremely proud of every one of them, likewise to other painters who've (for lack of a better term) 'earned their salt'... most painters form tight knit groups, we learn off each other and pass tips and tricks to each other, in many ways it's a community within a community... each artist unique, and good at a certain element of the paint, some are weathering experts, others, are graphical experts focusing on logo's and things, some are detaillers.. they love the details... it's why there's a wide variety within the community, tell every painter/repainter to do a certain paint and you'd notice the outcomes are wildly different...

... at the end of the day, it's a hobby within a hobby... we do it for enjoyment, for the pride we feel, not just for ourselves at overcoming a challenge, but also, for each other... it is only through study and self criticism that we can advance sort of "i could do the weathering better, i wonder if ........ can give me any tips on weathering" etc...
 
True, I've learned some nice tips from Matt... Like him, I bodged my way into painting with some crappy trial and error work sticking new reg's on, logos... then carefully mangling my way through paint jobs. It took a long time but here I am doing aircraft texture art for Milton, Larry and others... Its a long road, and we've all been there before. I hate using the old maxim of 'if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything' but it fits... however, change it to 'if you can't say anything nice, say something constructive...' we need to be supportive as a community, pass on the talents and skills, and TEACH others, not put them down or pick holes.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of my work never leaves my pc... I do it for myself, sometimes I share it with others or post it online... I'm not after glory, or respect, or a position of power. When someone enjoys what i did... That makes me happy. if it means something special to them... all the better. I want people to enjoy themselves. if my work does that, grand, otherwise, I'd just keep it to myself.

We need to make this place a font of knowlage.... share our experience, teach the next generation or we're going to be the end of fs community development... Companies like Carenado with their new 206 are already making it nearly impossible for artists to work on their products... is that the future of flight sim? pre packaged, unmodifiable aircraft in some new fixed content sim? if it is, I'm punching out now, because for me, the fun is in the creativity.

*disapers off to work on a JU-52*
 
Any of us who paint...We all know just how many times we change a paint before releasing it.....Not to mention how many times we update a paint....
 
gman5250 said:
IMHO...

This post has provoked some very long and passionate responses. I don't disagree with any of the responses to the original comment. I'll throw in my two cents.

I personally am drawn towards the stand out projects. I admit to being biased towards FSX native with bumps etc. One of my first paints was Milton's A-26, before it was brought FSX native. The converted FSX model was worth the 300+ additional hours it eventually received from me. Same for the D-18.

Freeware models are getting to the place where they rival or exceed many pay ware. The new C-117D, as a beta is a perfect example. I jumped all over that one as did Jan Kees and Hanimichal. At this time Jan and I have pooled our efforts on one specific skin that Jan will soon release. This particular model may be to shiny for some, too photo real for some, too clean for some, missing a grease stain here or there, the wrong color of white, the right color of polished aluminum, missing a rivet, the ADF is in the wrong location, the props are wrong........
That's all fine. I had a great time developing my skills on the model and I don't care if you fly it or crash it into the ocean. I've been an artist for 57 years. If I took it personal I'd have quit a long time ago.

This is a community where we share our ideas, talents and labor with our friends, brothers and sisters who share our passion. We don't ask anything for our contributions, but a "thank you" is appreciated more than anyone can imagine. Every project, whether it be pay ware or freeware is a work of art. Some are better than others. There are some pay ware companies that stand out, and some that are average. The stand outs I don't touch, in fact I don't really paint much in the way of pay ware.

The bottom line is we respect each other for who and what we are, we are thankful for the work the other guy has created and, most importantly, we honor every artist for their attempt to do their best. Some may fall short, so we look at their WIPs and help them along the way.

Did anyone gripe when TuFun put up his progress shots....I think not. TF did dozens of progress shots on the Howard and look where he finally took her. I can't wait to see the FSX...if that ever happens, but thanks Ted for the endless effort you put in to that model. I for one appreciate your work. Thank you Firekitten, John T, Jan and Hanimichal also. thank you everyone who has ever posted their work on this site. Thank you Milton Shupe.
This is not a competition...

End of rant...I'm going to go add a few tweaks on another file.
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Ah... thanks "G"... always inspired by what you told me! Someday "G" will finish up on those Howards! I'm busy with clients at the moment and all because of that green Howard! ;)
 
I cannot even drop a bucket of paint on an aircraft model by accident...... let alone PAINT one on purpose...... so I stick to publishing models that others can use, improve or crash........... I'm happy that way and it seems to work for the FS community :applause:
 
Hi fellas!

I appreciate all of the feedback. I do just want to clarify one thing, I mentioned

"...quickly upload, and post screenshots of their work..."

Posting a WIP is a great idea, and certainly helps folks know what each other are working on! My post is only referencing when a re-paint is hurriedly rushed, and uploaded, when a little more time would make a big difference! I am not suggesting in any way some type of quality control. Of course it's free, and we can and all do share.

My 'gripe' is strictly on the idea that we, as the painters, need to be discerning, that we do not cast a poor light on any payware developers work. Some of these guys are doing this for a living. Their pay-stub, so to speak, may reflect this. The most premium time for a new add-on, from the developers viewpoint, is going to be the first couple of weeks following a release. As we've seen in a previous thread, almost 50% of the people who answered, confess that they have purchased an add-on, because of a 3rd party paint-job! That shows how much influence the painters have! Really is neat, that we can work together that way as a community I only warn that we be careful not to have the negative effect, or the opposite, in which someone may not purchase an add-on, based on impressions seen in the early weeks after release.

I would personally invite any painters, who would like to continue their progress and knowledge on the subject, to send me private message. I am willing to walk you through any questions, or ideas, and to lend a helping hand, in any way that I can. Either through e-mail, or teamspeak.

My initial post is not to dis-credit, or crimp at all. But only to encourage.

I would not dare to come close to the experience, and know-how as many of you folks who have replied to this topic! Thanks for your input!

Best!
Joseph
 
I'm afraid what you're saying, however well intentioned, reads as follows; "If your work isn't good enough, don't post pictures or upload it in case you make the payware developers look bad."


No matter what you meant, that is how it reads, at least to me... You are imposing an arbitrary quality cut off. Which is not our place.

If a developer is that afraid of bad publicity from bad paint jobs, they shouldn't release a product that can be painted. Stick to MS flight.
 
Hey guys, just calm down a bit and relax. Everybody here is allowed to have his or her's opinion. So you are also allowed to disagree.

When I read Joseph's post I read something about ill timing. I haven't seen him mentioning anything about skins which are not good enough to release. So why is everybody reacting here like they are stung by a bee?

Cool down, have fun, that's why we are here and that's why some of us make repaints. Don't get frustrated when somebody tells you that he prefers the style of another repainter. See it as a challenge to satisfy everybody, but be wise enough to realise you probably can't.

Huub
 
Den Helder? It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there.....


ooooh, memories..
 
Huub, no bee stings, but still, the trend is: "I don't like some paints, try to do better".
I'm still doing this for fun, and will continue to do so, but I do it for my entertainment, not anybody else's. If people don't like it, too bad.
and if people think they can do beter, they should, instead of gripe...

besides, I see a lot of fun in the remarks alone!
So what is wrong with my bumpmaps, Francois? They are the only thing I did not touch..
 
Thanks Huub, been watching this entire discussion with interest. At the same time I am painting the FR P-40N in the colors of Little Jeep seen at Kweilin, China. I for one am a guy that has been painting for 15 years but still an amateur. Still enjoy it though and will be posting my stuff soon. As Huub says "have some fun."
 
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