A thank you by pictures

duck said:
Paarma- I forgot to add that I especially like the 'dirty' look of the S7. I know that in Red Baron 3D's evolution, 'dirty' skins became a feature that, in my opinion, made the planes much more realistic and really helped immersion. This seems to be true for OFF as well. By the way, the cowling cutouts in ther S7 are so realistic, it took me ahwile to decide that they are 2D, not 3D. Thanks.
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And yes the "dirty" look is choice i would use more than shining a/c´s that we can see replicas today.

I havent found much resource material about how much the paint worn out. Im pretty sure the paint useally faded away from wooden fuselage surface.
The cowling and metal parts had to be parts where the paint just drop of. Oil and other stains surely mixed the bright colors. And the paint shade cant be smooth. The a/c´s was also many times over painted so the paint couldn´t be smooth. The canvas might had lost the brightness by time. In overall i had to desaturate the colors becourse in the air the colors look even more brighter than in the template it actual is... But ofcourse most of these things is speculation. I havent ever seen real ww1 plane...
 
I'm not surprised by your background. I was pretty sure I spotted talent that was beyond us mere mortals. Coincidentally, my daughter is also very much interested in fashion- she just graduated from Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City. Although I dress like a bum, through her eyes I've come to realize that fashion is another art form, like painting or sculpture.

I hope that you get to see a real Spad VII. Years ago, I visited Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome when it still had Cole Palen's original Spad VII. He actually restored it to flying condition and used it in his airshows but by the time I discovered Old Rhinebeck it was stored in one of his barns (I think he ultimately traded it).

WF2 likely knows the story of the Spad and its whereabouts. In real life it was actually much smaller than I had imagined but just as great looking as the pictures. These days they fly a Spad replica with a Lycoming engine and the pilot told me that it's a handful to fly.
 
Olham-
I think the last picture is of Charles Nungesser (sp.?) with a Nieuport (17?). Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome has an real Nieuport 10 originally owned by Nungesser (he brought it to the US for his flight school after the war). Pretty amazing to see it.
Thanks for the nice Spad pictures.
 
duck said:
I'm not surprised by your background. I was pretty sure I spotted talent that was beyond us mere mortals. Coincidentally, my daughter is also very much interested in fashion- she just graduated from Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City. Although I dress like a bum, through her eyes I've come to realize that fashion is another art form, like painting or sculpture.

I hope that you get to see a real Spad VII. Years ago, I visited Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome when it still had Cole Palen's original Spad VII. He actually restored it to flying condition and used it in his airshows but by the time I discovered Old Rhinebeck it was stored in one of his barns (I think he ultimately traded it).

WF2 likely knows the story of the Spad and its whereabouts. In real life it was actually much smaller than I had imagined but just as great looking as the pictures. These days they fly a Spad replica with a Lycoming engine and the pilot told me that it's a handful to fly.
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lol, we mortals... :). I didnt know much about fashion before the school. Oh great! So i wish good luck your daughter and hope she got opportunity get work where can show talents that she obviusly have.
Yes Old Rhinebeck would be second on the list. first is the real battlefields, and airfields in France. Last but not least definetally i want to visit in new york!
 
Yes, Paarma, I will also visit the Flanders Fields and the Somme area, to see, if I can find the places. Some of the old villages may not have changed too much, as the French spend most of their money on good meals rather than building new houses like us Germans (Lol!)
 
duck said:
I'm not surprised by your background. I was pretty sure I spotted talent that was beyond us mere mortals. Coincidentally, my daughter is also very much interested in fashion- she just graduated from Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City. Although I dress like a bum, through her eyes I've come to realize that fashion is another art form, like painting or sculpture.

I hope that you get to see a real Spad VII. Years ago, I visited Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome when it still had Cole Palen's original Spad VII. He actually restored it to flying condition and used it in his airshows but by the time I discovered Old Rhinebeck it was stored in one of his barns (I think he ultimately traded it).

WF2 likely knows the story of the Spad and its whereabouts. In real life it was actually much smaller than I had imagined but just as great looking as the pictures. These days they fly a Spad replica with a Lycoming engine and the pilot told me that it's a handful to fly.
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Hey Duck. They have another S.VII at ORA. I believe they got it in the late 90's. Its a great looking reproduction finished with Guynemer's scheme. Unfortunately last summer when I went, I got there a little to late to see it fly. I think they had it in a mock dogfight with the Fokker D.VII. It still looked awesome sitting on the edge of the field though. Cant wait to go back this summer.

-Rooster
 
lol, The German obviously build more houses that they need, i just readed article of apartment where the guy who lived there before had to leave hurry becourse police 20 year ago. Now the door was open first time after 20 years. All the items and victuals was Eastern Germany made.
Btw i try visit in german this year, hopefully in summer. I might buy car from there. Also everyone of my friends has praise the Berlin. I have always been big fan of german history and want to see Berling hopefully soon.



Olham54 said:
Yes, Paarma, I will also visit the Flanders Fields and the Somme area, to see, if I can find the places. Some of the old villages may not have changed too much, as the French spend most of their money on good meals rather than building new houses like us Germans (Lol!)
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Olham54 said:
Yes, Paarma, I will also visit the Flanders Fields and the Somme area, to see, if I can find the places. Some of the old villages may not have changed too much, as the French spend most of their money on good meals rather than building new houses like us Germans (Lol!)
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Well, I won't say that... it's a bit too much stereotypical; but you're right, it's true that some villages might not have changed in a major way. :wiggle:

Unfortunately, some others haven't been rebuilt. :( I'm not really familiar with Flanders and Somme areas, but near Reims and Verdun, lots of small villages have been completely erased during the conflict.
 
Hi, Xavier
Wasn't meant too serious, but may contain a little truth. And, that way, I'm rather French than typical German. I also prefer good meals before a big car or house.
The damage, the war has done to the areas, must have been immense. I often think that, when I fly over the "mud" - the front line. On modern Google maps, I saw, that a Route Nationale follows the dead-mud front line. It seems, they have taken the chance to build this road, were there weren't any Farms or fields anymore - only devastation...

Hi, Paarma
When you visit Berlin, you must check Tempelhof airport. It's not in use anymore, but still is Europes largest building; and sometimes there are guided tours into the underground. There are at least six underground levels, with huge lifts, that could carry whole airplanes up and down.
Also quite interesting: the Humboldthain Flakbunker - a huge bunker (4 or 5 stores high) that contained even a field hospital. Also very interesting: the Technik Museum with a real Bf 109 and other planes.

Cheers; Olham
 
Olham54 said:
Hi, Xavier
Wasn't meant too serious, but may contain a little truth. And, that way, I'm rather French than typical German. I also prefer good meals before a big car or house.
The damage, the war has done to the areas, must have been immense. I often think that, when I fly over the "mud" - the front line. On modern Google maps, I saw, that a Route Nationale follows the dead-mud front line. It seems, they have taken the chance to build this road, were there weren't any Farms or fields anymore - only devastation...

Hi, Paarma
When you visit Berlin, you must check Tempelhof airport. It's not in use anymore, but still is Europes largest building; and sometimes there are guided tours into the underground. There are at least six underground levels, with huge lifts, that could carry whole airplanes up and down.
Also quite interesting: the Humboldthain Flakbunker - a huge bunker (4 or 5 stores high) that contained even a field hospital. Also very interesting: the Technik Museum with a real Bf 109 and other planes.

Cheers; Olham
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Interesting places. I have to take enough free days when visit in Berlin. Thanks for the info.

Cheers

Arto
 
Rooster-
I think I saw the SVII you're talking about and you're right- it's a beautiful replica. One great tradition of Rhinebeck is that after the show you can talk to the pilots so I talked to the Spad pilot. As I recall, he told me that the Spad is very tail heavy. I forgot to ask him if that was because the replica's Lycoming engine was much lighter than the original Hispano-Suiza V8 or whether original Spad's were also tail heavy.

I think that many WW1 planes were basically tail heavy, which would be considered extremely dangerous these days. When a nose heavy aircraft stalls, the nose drops, the craft speeds up and the wings start flying again as a result. On a tail-heavy plane,if the tail drops, the wings' angle of attack (which is the real problem in stalling) gets even larger so there's no self recovery. Part of the reason there were so many fatalities in training in WW1 was that many of the aircraft were extremely unforgiving of mistakes.

Actually, I find the Nieuport 11 in OFF to be a good example of anunforgiving airplane. I find that I have to be very careful with landing speed and flare to survive even a standard landing in the Bebe. While this has killed me several times, I like a simulator that doesn't baby you.
 
One more SPAD

Had this posted before, but here's the beautiful SPAD XIII from the Smithsonian Institute Main Entrance Hall. once again. Enjoy.
 
Olham- I'm pretty sure that that is the plane that Cole Palen flew at Old Rhinebeck. When I last saw it, it had been retired in one of his barns that you could tour. I'm pretty sure that he traded it for the Nungesser's Nieuport 10 (seemed like a bad trade to me but Nungesser was special). The Smithsonian folks really cleaned it up.
By the way, did you know that the Smithsonian published a great book about the restoration of their Albatross DVa. It even has the start up procedure given to them by a former Albatross pilot. It's a large paperback so I don't think that it's too expensive. I reread it about once a year (that's pretty much the extent of my long term memory so it's new to me every time) Highly recommended.
 
Hey, CAMELJOCKEY, it's good to have some spare wings, eh?

Yeah, that Dr.1, and the D VII are extremely superiour planes - you can shoot anything up in them. But still, you should be a bit more careful - or was it Flak ?
 
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