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A very special preview that's sure to excite

"Anyway I gotta laugh at helldiver...... why are they white, they're always black.... Cause I saw one once.... hahahahahah"

Tim, I saw them more than once. I stared at two of them plus the accompaning linear amplifier while riding in the ass end of various SB2Cs. They were always right in front of me.
Plus I saw probably a hundred of them in the original Radio Shack in Boston, when their only business was selling war surplus equipment.
Then in my Ham radio days I must have seen a coupla dozen in various ham shacks.
They were always painted a crinkly black.

 
See, I was just thinking that some WWII pilot would have thought that was a kick-ass symbol to put on his plane. If you forget about the nasty-tasting "energy drink" it stands for, it's kind of a cool graphic. But like you said, to each his own.
 
There's a very interesting video on YouTube about the P-38 restored by Red Bull. It might explain why the team decided to include a Red Bull paint scheme.

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MudMarine said:
YEEE-HAWWW!! Been wondering what's up with the bolt? Just a question, repectfully asked: Did 38's really sit that nose high? I've never seen one first hand, I just honestly don't know?
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I’ve seen photos of P-38s in all attitudes from parallel to the ground to images like this one here. An extreme example, perhaps, since it looks like the nose wheel is actually off the ground, and the tails are touching the ground. I imagine it has something to do with weight distribution in general, and ammunition weight in the nose, in particular…
 
But it's not WWII nose art it's a commercial for an energy drink. They can do with it what they wish, they own it. Which doesn't mean I can't tell them it's ugly, God bless free speech!:engel016:

Back to the subject: HURRY UP AND RELEASE THE BEAST!!:applause::jump:
 
PRB said:
I’ve seen photos of P-38s in all attitudes from parallel to the ground to images like this one here. An extreme example, perhaps, since it looks like the nose wheel is actually off the ground, and the tails are touching the ground. I imagine it has something to do with weight distribution in general, and ammunition weight in the nose, in particular…
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Great photo P!!:applause:
 
Quality modeling there, Milviz! :applause:


Yet, somehow my excitement can be pretty well described as "lukewarm".
On the other hand, if this one had jets could carry more than one passenger...
 
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I came up with the idea to do a restored version with modern avionics and "Red Bull" was some pretty , i fell under its spell the minute i saw it and just had to do it, as well the group thought that having a modern pit would please those who like using those new toys , GNS systems and the like , all custom gauges as well , no default FSX stuff .

It also includes another pilot and quite a number of other changes to the fuselage, the version that Tigisfat has is the version i sent out first to have
the load manager prepared and is still being constructed .

C.J for FSD
 
If those two don't drop your jaw, you're in the wrong hobby. :ernae::monkies::icon_lol:
 
I'm quite excited to see the Red Bull (ex Lefty Gardner) example being done as well. For me, I greatly admire the real-life example, for the amazing quality of craftsmanship and metalwork that went into its rebuild. It also is very sleek, and reminiscent of a YP-38.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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I'm not sure as to how close you are aiming at recreating the real-life example, but please consider the following details about the exterior, that I have found in studying it: <o:p></o:p>
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The aircraft has its rear radiator housings painted silver, which is a necessity, as the paint prevents the aluminum from becoming too hot - the original units were made of steel I believe, and were not at such risks of temperature punishment. Also, a large section of the under-belly of the wing, is painted the same silver, as seen between the center gondola and outer booms. The nose art has changed, since the time you have it portrayed, now featuring writing. The gear doors and wells are painted light/grey primer, and the glare shields are more green than brown. The elevator balancers, are painted with the Red Bull logo, and there is Red Bull text on the inside of the two outer flaps. See attached images...

BTW, I am very glad to see the P-38 shaping up so well! The stance is excellent - which would change greatly with the amount of ammunition loaded in the nose. Of course it isn't preferred to operate a P-38 with the nose that lacking of weight. Current examples have a mixture of items to weight down the nose, so as to keep the center of gravity well forward, so the nose oleo is quite compressed - same goes for the P-39's and P-63's you might see flying around. The Red Bull P-38 has all of its boxes of avionics up in the nose, as well as a weight or two I believe.
 
Yes. The Red Bull/restored P-38 is very special and has significant mods over a traditional P-38. It is, in reality, a P-38L. Left Gardner raced it extensivly in Reno and modified it with the engine coweling of a P-38F (small mouth) and removed the GE Turbo off of the back. The White Lightning had a small carb scoop on top. Sadly, while his son was flying it, the supercharger on the back of the Allison exploded, and a peace cut through a fuel line. That fuel spilled onto the hot exhaust ducting and caught of fire.

His son had to ditch the White Lightning in a corn field (minus the corn luckly) but the belly landing did a lot of damage. Too much for the family to pay for. Red Bull has a lot of aircraft, and purchased the wreck for restoration. After years, and many additional mods, its done. The biggest mod was the carb scoops. They are much bigger and extend forward along the coweling.

Due to trademarks and such, we cant call it a Red Bull P-38, and cant copy the logo or have the name. So we just call it a restored P-38 with modern avonics.

Since we are playing show-n-tell, let me show and tell you about some of the details in the P-38 package!

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The P-38 had a LOT of plumbing in the boom to duct air to and from the GE Turbo charger. Some of it extended into the main wheel well.

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Here is the business end of the Lightning. The nose is packed tight with 4 .50 cal M2's and a big 20MM plus the ammo to feed them. The ammo for all guns were carried in an easy to remove ammo case that the ground crews could replace quicky. Most wing mounted guns (P-51 and P-47)had to have the wings packed with ammo and that took considerable time. Almost every detail is modeled, including the bullets, and the handle on the ammo tray.

The P-38 is by far my favorite aircraft, and its been a pleasure and honor to work on such a project. Im really looking forward to what the skinners can do!
 
Yaay, a properly-sized pilot! In most sim aircraft, it looks like you can play hockey in the 'pit. This one does a good job of showing how shoehorned-in the driver really is. Stunning from many other angles as well, of course. Hats off! :ernae:
 
Hey Kevin, I completely understand where you are coming from with not wanting to deal with copyright issues, etc. I love your attention to detail with the modeling, and the texture work is superb as well - the crisp/clear stenciling around the bottom of the booms and other curved surfaces such as the radiator scoops and wing fairings, shows that the model features some amazing texture mapping as well! There are some great repaint possibilities with the P-38 - I personally would love to do "California Cutie", "Little Buckaroo", and "Journey's End".
 
Mathias , your sense of humour is as refined as your design work , that is the funniest thing i have read in some time , a true master of the “ Quip “ you are someone i would enjoy meeting over a few beers .:icon29: cheers
 
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