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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

ALABEO Pitts released! (payware)

bstolle said:
??? You seriously claim that's impossible to perform a RW standard spin entry in FSX ? With a good FDE this is something really basic. Even the spin attitude and rotation rate can be controlled....
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Who speaking about basic spin possibility? I'm not! I just talking about snap rolls and Lomcevak. These maneuvers is NOT realistic in FSX - or even impossible.
Btw, if you mentioned that, the basic rolls seems very unrealistic in most of freeware and payware aircrafts. For one reason: the aileron effectivity is really bad, because if we move suddenly our stick to the neutral position during performing roll (at the end of the maneuvers for example), the aircraft roll away and not stopped immediatelly as we planned and as real aircrafts do (Extra, Sokhoi, Cap, Pitts, etc). It is ~10-80-180 degrees, depends on add-on aircraft type. Very disturbing FSX effect.
 
Flying under bridges is easy. Looping around one is ...

I bought this little Pitts, not because I am an aerobat, because I like the look of the little bipes. The exterior is a beautiful work of art, the sounds are so believable and the cockpit is ok. The panel is nice but if a little bit more were done it would match the beauty of the exterior. Case in point, the edge of the fuselage framing the panel is an ugly 2D texture. If just the edging fasteners were 3D modeled? I suppose they had to keep detail down to maintain frames especially if the purpose is aerobatics in which case there's not much notice of such detail anyway, right? It flies so smooth on my rig that I feel no need to count frames and looks and sounds so good no need to count rivets either. Price point? If you can afford payware, no problem. Really enjoy the throaty growl of the engine and the rumbles and squeaks on the runway. Is it accurate? Give me a ride in your RW Pitt S2 and I will tell you.

Jim
 
zlin said:
:) Please tell me some examples... :)
If you think you are right, please watch this movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkx1puleUU
Then go to FSX and try to do the same! Lomcevak especially, when the aircraft spins around his wings! But I bespeak to you: it is impossible!
You can do somekind of "Lomcevak", yes, but this figure goes from FSX flight model-counting mistake, when your PC going to tangle of FDE-computing. :)
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Tim Conrad (Piglet's) Zlin here in the freeware library can do a bunch of things, it's probably got the best aerobatic fde I've seen.

Also, I have the IRIS Christen Eagle - how does this compare? Should I buy this too?
 
zlin said:
1. Who speaking about basic spin possibility? I'm not! I just talking about snap rolls and Lomcevak. These maneuvers is NOT realistic in FSX - or even impossible.
2. the aileron effectivity is really bad, because if we move suddenly our stick to the neutral position during performing roll, the aircraft roll away and not stopped immediatelly as we planned and as real aircrafts do. Very disturbing FSX effect.
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1. FYI, a snap roll is nothing more than a spin in the horizontal plane. So that's 'basic' as well. And of course snaps are possible in FSX.
2. Wrong again. Realistic FSX planes stop immediately upon neutralizing the ailerons...(if the real plane does of course).
Again, if you want to continue off topic....PM me.
 
How did you get rid of the pilot in the second shot? These shots are very nice!

flyingip said:
By the time this discussion has ended Alabeo will have their SU26 and updated FDE's released :)

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I am happy with my purchase! It has some very fun features as well .. Anyone noticed that you can move your helmet visor up and down?

edit: I wouldn't mind if Alabeo made a combination of their Pitts and Su 26

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bstolle said:
1. FYI, a snap roll is nothing more than a spin in the horizontal plane. So that's 'basic' as well. And of course snaps are possible in FSX.
2. Wrong again. Realistic FSX planes stop immediately upon neutralizing the ailerons...(if the real plane does of course).
Again, if you want to continue off topic....PM me.
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I think, PM is not necessary, because we discuss from FSX and Alabeo's Pitts flight model, so our posts is absolutely ontopic.

For your 1st point:
Maybe my english is not so perfect, and I can't explain my opinion enough well, sorry for that.
But as far as I know, doing a snap roll isn't a basic maneuvers. A simple roll is that, but snap-rolls are not. Look after it on the Aresti-table - if you know what is it - if you can't beleive me.
In a snap-roll, you get much more G's than a "simple" vertical roll. And the aircrafts gets more stress too. Therefore performing snap-roll strictly prohibited with lot of (aerobatics) training aircrafts. Of course, Pitts can do snap-rolls - but just in real life. Unfortunately we cannot do it with Alebo's Pitts in FSX. But isn't Alebo's fault, is it only an FSX fault - as I said before.

To your 2nd point:
As I see, you have a different concept about word "immediatelly"... :) When I say "immediatelly" that means zero degree overtilting and zero second respond.
But if I doing a quick-roll with this Pitts, then I want to stop it so I move the stick to the neutral position quickly, unfortunately elapse 1-2 seconds till the aircraft's rolling is over. If you not noticed this thing yet, then maybe you're playing with a different simulator, not FSX. :)

I hope, you can understand my poor english...sorry for that again.
 
ryanbatc said:
Tim Conrad (Piglet's) Zlin here in the freeware library can do a bunch of things, it's probably got the best aerobatic fde I've seen.
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Ehhh...you can't be serious...Tim's Zlin is one of the best freeware aerobatics aircraft, and I love it, but he have the same problems than any other FSX aerobatics aircraft. The overtilting and aileron-respond is very poor. :(
 
While I can see your point to a degree I also feel that if you desire to go into this at the level of detail you seem to then discussing it via PM as has been asked by Mr. Stolle would be preferred.
 
zlin said:
Ehhh...you can't be serious...Tim's Zlin is one of the best freeware aerobatics aircraft, and I love it, but he have the same problems than any other FSX aerobatics aircraft. The overtilting and aileron-respond is very poor. :(
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Huh? Poor control response? That's exactly opposite of what I experience. I can do hammerheads, and hold a knife edge for a little while. It's a bit touchy on the ground but it's one of my favorite planes to mess around in.
 
Zlin must have a different product to mine - its so responsive im nearly killing myself every flight! lOL
 
What Zlin is trying to say is that the inertia on most planes is too high, even in Tims Zlin. The roll rate isn't the problem, that the roll doesn't stop immediately when neutralizing the aileron is the point he's trying to make.
Even when you apply full opposite aileron the Zlin continues to roll into the 'wrong' direction.
 
bstolle said:
What Zlin is trying to say is that the inertia on most planes is too high, even in Tims Zlin. The roll rate isn't the problem, that the roll doesn't stop immediately when neutralizing the aileron is the point he's trying to make.
Even when you apply full opposite aileron the Zlin continues to roll into the 'wrong' direction.
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That's the point!!
Many thanks bstolle! Finally, you can understand what I trying to explain with my poor english!
My only problem is that you wrote: the roll doesn't stop immediatelly when neutralizing ailerons!

And one more important thing, just for making clear for everybody: I am NOT DEFEND ALABEO!! AND I NEVER DID IT! Alabeo made a really execlusive, and superb aircraft, I can't wait his Sukhoi too! Everything comes from FSX itself, that nobody can eliminate in his products (aircrafts): the roll doesn't stop when we neutralize the ailerons. One guy a few months (or years?) ago wrote a little executable file for his Edge-540 for made more realistic aileron-effect, and really seems much good than any other (freeware or payware) aircrafts.
 
zlin said:
One guy a few months (or years?) ago wrote a little executable file for his Edge-540 for made more realistic aileron-effect, and really seems much good than any other (freeware or payware) aircrafts.
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That makes me wonder if it's exclusive to that particular aircraft, or can be adapted to others with the same characteristics. Might be worth investigating.
 
This is a neat little package... and cheap so well worth it!

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ryanbatc said:
Can you point me to that "Edge" plane?
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Sorry Guys, I really can't remember where I found it. :( I think the author was a german guy... But as far as I remember, this little stuff works together only with that Edge-540. But I'm not sure in that.
 
Quick question for someone who has purchased already: How does the activation work? Do they send you a key and do you have to activate online?

Thanks

Edit: I forgot to mention that I went to their website and asked about a video with engine sounds and they replied very quickly that they thought it was a good idea and they would look into it. I also pointed them to this thread in case they wanted to join in.
 
They gave a key code online and in an email.

You then to install had to type in your email address and that code. From memory there was nothing stating you had to be online to activate and it was instant so I "guess" that there was no activation but that the files were personalised.

I have no evidence other than the speed of the process. When activating there is usually a tiny wait.

Looking forward to Sukhoi now!
 
P38man said:
They gave a key code online and in an email.

You then to install had to type in your email address and that code. From memory there was nothing stating you had to be online to activate and it was instant so I "guess" that there was no activation but that the files were personalised.

I have no evidence other than the speed of the process. When activating there is usually a tiny wait.

Looking forward to Sukhoi now!
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OK Thanks, only reason I asked is I don't like to expose the FSX machine to the internet unless neccessary.

Steve
 
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