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Band of Brothers

Good News!

The New Series call The Pacific Will bee Airing on March 14, 2010 on HBO.

Check it out Here http://www.hbo.com/index.html#/the-pacific

I already have in my colletion of Band of Brother Video pack. Now I plan to also have in my collection in the Future the Pacific series. Any one who fought in World war two whether in the ETO or in the PTO is a Heroe!:USA-flag:
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RyanJames170 said:
C9G umm im Ryan not bill lol.. did you mean to comment on something that Lion Hart posted?
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To continue the confusion ... Bill's handle would be LIONHEART ... one word and not as you have it in the quote above. LOL!

I'd like to make an apology here for C9G ... but I'm afraid I can't as she obviously quoted you in her comment, so I have no idea what or who she was thinking of. :bump:
 
Snuffy said:
To continue the confusion ... Bill's handle would be LIONHEART ... one word and not as you have it in the quote above. LOL!

I'd like to make an apology here for C9G ... but I'm afraid I can't as she obviously quoted you in her comment, so I have no idea what or who she was thinking of. :bump:
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who knows maybe she posted to mine and was thinking of what Bill said and had one of those moments lol
 
Hey, thats ok by me. I'll be Ryan, James, Henry... My mom calls me Robert, (my brothers name), and my brother even called me mom once, which that 'did' get to me, lol...



Bill
 
I agree with Snuffy, if you can make it through the beach landing scenes of Saving Private Ryan you can probably tolerate just about any war movie. Although I personally thought the scene where the medic dies from his wounds while calling out for his mother was more gut-wrenching than the beach carnage.
 
Thank you for mentioning this side of the war too, Björn!
We better should not forget which country payed the highest price in this war...

But I think one of the many awesome things about "Band of Brothers" is that there isn't any attitude like "How the Easy Company won the war".
Their "conquest of the Obersalzberg" was close to creating such attitude, but still far enough...
 
Toastmaker said:
I wonder if the same style of show from this perspective would be as well received. . .
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Not even a theoretical question. The movie is "Das Boot" and it was a very popular movie the world round and certainly in the United States.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Ken Stallings said:
Not even a theoretical question. The movie is "Das Boot" and it was a very popular movie the world round and certainly in the United States.

Cheers,

Ken
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No, it isn't. It was just a vehicle to allow me to post an interesting photo ! :icon_lol:

But, I remember a movie along those lines directed by Sam Peckinpaugh called "Cross of Iron". It wasn't nearly as well done as BoB but it wasn't bad either.
 
Stalingrad

The director or the producer of "Das Boot" also made "Stalingrad" in the early 90s. It is of the same calibre and portrays a combat engeneer unit (Pionier Einheit) of the Whermacht in Stalingrad and is probably as close as we will come to a "Verband von Bruedern des deutschen Heers." I'm sure that it's long out circulations as it never achieved the popularity of "Das Boot," but a search on the web might find it.
 
TARPSBird said:
... but I think it would do well with a German audience.
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No, it won't.

Obeying hard lessons of our past, we don't have any reason to idealize the Wehrmacht or its members.
It was a means of genozide. Period.

There is no good in evil.

I know this attitude is far different from the US point of view, but please try to comprehend...

Peace!
Markus.
 
Toastmaker said:
I wonder if the same style of show from this perspective would be as well received. . .
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I'd *so* watch it.

Should I ever have the means or money, I'd make a WW2 shooter played from the german side. Heavily scripted, but without any glorious BS like CoD or MoH. After all, you can fight how well you want, you're gonna lose anyways.



Wild Bill Kelso said:
No, it won't.

Obeying hard lessons of our past, we don't have any reason to idealize the Wehrmacht or its members.
It was a means of genozide. Period.

There is no good in evil.

I know this attitude is far different from the US point of view, but please try to comprehend...

Peace!
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Why, oh why can't we ease up on that subject in this country?
It's disgusting. You could tell so many fascinating stories from the war, but nooo, we're still guilty and humble, even after serveral generations.

Panzerbatallion 33 gets hammered because it uses the Afrika Korps' insignia (without the swastika), JG74 loses its name because Werner Mölders was a member of the Legion Condor, etc, etc...

I don't want to take this anymore.

This country needs a *realistic* confrontation with its past. Yes, the Wehrmacht was a tool for genocide, but it consisted of millions of men who fought because they had to or wanted to save whatever was of value to them. They endured heat, cold, years of war and POW camps after that just to get kicked in the arse without the slightest acknowledgement of their ordeals.
The genocide wasn't the idea of the common Gefreiten, but came from the highest ranks in the country.

The Waffen-SS is an entirely different topic since it was way more indoctrinated, but I refuse to see the Wehrmacht as a pure tool of terror. No way, no way at all!
 
Wild Bill Kelso said:
No, it won't.

Obeying hard lessons of our past, we don't have any reason to idealize the Wehrmacht or its members.
It was a means of genozide. Period.

There is no good in evil.

I know this attitude is far different from the US point of view, but please try to comprehend...

Peace!
Markus.
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I'm not going to necessarily disagree with your views becuase I can tell they are sincere and strive for positive moral value.

However, in my study of the war, I have determined many examples of Germans who did fight the war with honor even as they understand their macro cause lacked honor.

One particular example worthy of study is that of Werner Molders. His is a particularly tragic and yet compelling case of how good people can be trapped in an evil cause, but how they can retain their honor through their actions. Molders to make a long story short, was awarded the very first Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds. After he learned about the nature of the Holocaust and the arrest of the Catholic Bishop of Munster, he mailed directly to Adolph Hitler all his medal and insignia, with a letter stating bluntly he "would never again wear the symbols of such an evil regime."

He then flew without authorization -- as the Luftwaffe IG of the Fighter Arm -- to an old squadron on the Russian Front and flew combat missions. There is at least one photo of him wearing a uniform beside his Me-109 sans all insignia and medals. Shortly after, Hitler ordered a Ju-52 to fly him back to Berlin. The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff, killing all onboard -- another case of a crash too convenient as to escape rightful suspicion it was an act of premediated murder to avoid a humiliating courts martial of a very popular Molders.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Personally, I think there's a major difference between patriotism for one's country and supporting something based on ideals of one individual of over 60 years ago.

Germany as a country should be proud of its past as not all of it is as bad as certain people are trying to make it appear. While its true there was some brutality associated with that past and its emblems, they are in fact all actual real life history. As long as a people embrace their heritage and not necessarily the ideals of the time I think it can be reconciled.

After all it wasn't Germany as a people that caused the evils of what happened, it was a single person with an ideal and the will and power to enforce his ideals, on a nation.

I think as Germans, you should have every right to be able to stand up and be proud of your past. After all, I have never seen any one national group's military so honored in every country as I do the German military, despite its supposed evil. All one has to do is take a look at any hobby, (aircraft sim, military modeling, computer games, etc. ... ) to realise that many people the world over have a facination with the German military. Look at the number of modelers here on SOH who for whaterver reasons, model German Luftwaffe aircraft left and right despite there being 6 or 7 others that have already done the same aircraft. I just don't see the same excitement spent on other nationality aircraft.
 
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