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hews500d said:
+1 on the endorsement Roger. The amount of $$$ I have paid for FSX, Acceleration and addons, one way or the other, I'm going to be enjoying it for years to come God willing.


Darrell
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If I don't like the new game, I won't play it. I won't get angry now. Who knows, it could be awesome. I'd buy a super hi-fi planet earth for FSX for several hundred dollars. I'd also love a central 'communist' payware marketplace where quality is monitoreds and I'm less likely to get ripped off. Developers may not like it, but it's time us consumers had some protection. I just don't want to pay for every second I'm on MSFS.

FSX is already sometimes photoreal, all we have to do is fill in the gaps and keep modding it. It can and will, with future computing, at least look as good as you'd ever expect a game too.
 
I am going with Nick C. and Francois. Been around with too many marketing guys in my jobs before to know that those ideas posted at avsim are most probably turned and tossed in some heads at MS. For them it´s ONE possible direction... BUT before there isn´t any official statement if this is THE way they go I won´t panic. And if so I won´t panic either.

I will not jump this train for sure, but will enjoy FSX all the longer and believe in the free market and alternative developments! Hope dies last!

Alex

PS: If MS finally pi...s me off at least I do not have to tweak any OS any more for ages to make them bareable in future (Vista) There´s an upside to every downside!
 
warchild said:
Oh yes they were. just not in their gaming division.. Still, taking the popularity of fsx and the entire franchise, i can understand why hey would remodel the entire thing to run on live / Xbox. it's a good strategy, albeit, a really taitorous one to those of us who have supported it and moeso those that worked at ACES.
I'm sorry, but i always learned to make my own rules, and with the events being what they are, if i were able to program, i'd already be working on a hack to get around the registation issue.
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There are already a number of registration and activation fixes so no-one needs worry about not being able to install the software again if MS stop handing out activations (which I doubt they will even contemplate).

Many people had problems with a bug in the activation system prior to SP1 so were forced to resort to using it. Fortunately those kinks seem to have been ironed out and everything now activates as it should.
 
Well whatever the facts are, "Pay as you play" is anathema to me. Oh sure, it doesn't cost the individual much, but it makes a lot of immoral money for the operator. The counter is, of course, that you pay royalties on records, videos and CDs - but you only pay royalties once and play a recording over and over again. "Pay as you play" is like legalising highway robbery. Actually it is a bit like taxes. Oh well, we are at least now seeing the true face of the "heads at the top" at last. Crooks, every one of them.

:a1451:

And calling it a game... even if it is "playing". That would definitely be good cause for bringing back medieval justice.

Oh well, this "heated debate" sure makes for entertainment, doesn't it. But one thing is certain: if ever the rumours come to fact about 'consoling' our hobby as an xbox type came with game controllers and pay as you play...

...then I am sure there will be less of us simmers using it.
 
I started a thread over on "Newshawks" on this same subject. I'm sorry. I did that before I came here.
I was not trying to Highjack this thread.
 
Even though I'm fourteen, I want to fly Flight Simulator to exercise my flying skills. Through four years of constant flying in FS, I was able to fly take off, and fly a Cessna 152 through 30 knot winds/gusts, on my second time at the controls.

This move by MS to transform it [FS] into a game, certainly does not take my fancy.

Long live FSX, and the developers who have transformed it into what it is today.
 
If nothing else, this should serve as a catalyst for the 'Add-On' developers.
We have FS9 and FSX, if these are set in stone then they have a stable base to work with.
Of course, being a cynic I prefer to wait and see if the 'truth' behind the rumour ever emerges.
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Actually, quite the opposite for we freeware folks. I can't imagine that MS would allow freeware to sully bandwidth that someone could actually pay for. I don't allow my stuff on sites that charge a download fee now and can't see doing it in the future.
 
fliger747 said:
Again:

You have a liscense for FSX, they have not sold it to you. In order to force move to a new system it is entirely possible that they may not continue to support authorizations for your installation-re-installation.

Currently a few talented peole at hone sitting behind a computer can produce a wonderful product, I guess this is the not the future of "Change you can believe in" , at least in FS.

T.
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Hmmm. I've heard this before; that I don't own a copy of FSX, but merely own a users license that makes me little more than a "renter" of the product. Here's my beef with this concept. All of the previous MSFS's didn't require license activation, just a disk in the machine to make it fly. So, when I went to purchase FSX a year ago, I had the reasonable expectation that it would work in the same manner...ie, no license activation, just a disk to run. I pay for it, and walk out with a tangible object in my hand. No where on this object does it tell me I am only buying a users license, which could be revoked at the whim of Microsoft. It is a physical product, purchased like any other for my personal use. I get it home, load it up, and now it tells me I need to input the Product Key to make it fly. OK, great, I don't have to fool with swapping disks. The copyright agreement that I checked, still hasn't told me I just got swindled...it just says "you agree to the blah blah and blah blah blah". Standard boiler plate stuff that tells me I'm not supposed to bootleg the material, or try to give it away to all of my hundreds of friends.

Honestly, I didn't study the EULA. But, if somewhere in the gobblygook of that agreement it informs me I am on probationary status as a renter, that's just a little too late. It would be a bait-and-switch sale, which is illegal in the USA.
 
It could be true or it could be false....

But it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. Else why would MS fire the ACES team? Perhaps MS sees the progression to a "pay to play" scheme as a valid business model for them.

IF things go that way then I will be content to keep flying FS9 and FSX as long as I have to. It may mean having to keep a PC capable to run them but I don't see that as a problem (so long as I can get parts as needed).''

-G-
 
Guys... reality check time.

Even if the described model was MS's future direction they would still need someone to develop it! ACES cutbacks are due to the economy and the fact that disposable income is drying up. With hardware upgrades largely on hold, the customer base for FS11 was not looking good.

FS11 would have been the last FS title ever if MS had released it and it tanked because no one could meet the minimum system requirements! Shutting down FS development at this time has protected FS, not harmed it.
 
Bone said:
Honestly, I didn't study the EULA. But, if somewhere in the gobblygook of that agreement it informs me I am on probationary status as a renter, that's just a little too late. It would be a bait-and-switch sale, which is illegal in the USA.
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If you think you know better than some 15.000 MS lawyers that have studied that EULA, then good luck to you........ :faint:






:ernae:
 
I would need to reread the EULA but as I recall it is an individual license. Not a subscription.

Therefore MS would have to allow or setup a mechanism which would allow activation for the life of the product.
 
Silver Fox said:
Let me get this straight...

This thread concerns what a third party reports that an unidentified, disgruntled, former employee (who was sacked with little notice during an economic crisis) said concerning his former employer.... Have I got that right so far?

Would someone, anyone, be so kind as to explain just where the word "credibility" might fit into the discussion?
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That is precisely in line with my own thoughts on this...

In my paraphrased words of the immortal Bard, "...'tis much to do about nothing."

Also, as Francois pointed out already, there are more than a few who's nose is (perhaps) a bit further into the caravan master's tent... :amen:
 
Boomer said:
I would need to reread the EULA but as I recall it is an individual license. Not a subscription.

Therefore MS would have to allow or setup a mechanism which would allow activation for the life of the product.
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and who decides that? That fact puts you right back into the position of a leasee... if they revoke your rent contract, you just wasted you money...
That, more than anything, is why I do not yet have FSX - or, for that matter, a number of FS9 payware releases that rely on web activation!
 
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