Better sit down again

[gera]

Once again we see how "greedy" M$ is and many others. This world is being destroyed by individuals and Companies that have lost all sence of values, be them, family values, political values and obviously commercial values.....if M$ wants everyone to pay per shot they will have to set up a Cyber Fair and make sure there is free Pop Corn and Balloons......It is M$ type companies that are destroying democracy and letting in a bandwagon of critters.....Oh Boy!!!!!..if you see a guy with long robes and a beard--Don´t let him in!!!! he is not Jesus Perez!!!!!!!!

 

[hinch]

I hope that X-plane developers really seize the oppurtunity to take some talent from MSFS. I downloaded the 9.6 demo today and on top top settings it looks extremely good, it just lacks the planes we have. It also does 100FPS

I also really like the geek configuration settings and all those cheap little aircraft... hmm. They're even doing an MS fall-out offer!

 

[Quixoticish]

Can someone please elaborate on where exactly it has been revealed that Microsoft Flight Sim will be moving to a pay to play service? I feel as though I've missed a vital piece of news somewhere along the line...

 

[Lateral-G]

Can someone please elaborate on where exactly it has been revealed that Microsoft Flight Sim will be moving to a pay to play service? I feel as though I've missed a vital piece of news somewhere along the line...

No one has outwardly said MS flight sim is going to pay to play but it's pretty clear the writing is on the wall and that's the way it will be headed:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/mar07/03-14G4WandXboxLIVEPR.mspx

With the recent disbandment of the MSFS development team and the trend of going to live, on-line play of XBox titles it makes sense from a MS business perspective.

It may be pure speculation at this point but I would bet money on 'pay-to-play' for MS flight sim in the future.

-G-

 

[Quixoticish]

Thanks Lateral-G.

Still, I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that we're going the way of pay-to-play like the X-box gamers. LIVE on the PC is simply a matchmaking and stat tracking service and is completely free, and long may it continue.

 

[d0mokun]

Xbox Live is hardly pay-to-play either. I've not had a Gold membership for ages now and it doesn't stop me from playing any games I own, offline or online.

As Chris says- the PC equivalent is completely free so what's the problem?

 

[JT8D-9A]

Two very good points. Upgradeability and freeware.

Freeware is what caused the massive, huge interest in Flight Simulator. A platform that was easy to make planes for and a huge number of people were suddenly making everything and anything to fly in FS with. Then came the 'ultra models' and enter the payware world of sophisticated, decked out, detailed planes.

With FSX, came a ultra sophistication of models and freeware has dried up I believe about 90% to 95%. Where we had perhaps 100 devs in the freeware world, I think we probably have a few now. Paul, Tim, Jans, to mention several. Time to make a bird is now longer, almost over a year on the average, so the lag between releases is causing a drop in FS instrest.

I would have to say that flying a new plane once a week in FS is what really got me hooked or addicted. Now its about every 2 months that a nice bird comes out, if that.

Its sort of like the movies. A new movie once a week gives you something to do on the weekends. A movie coming out once every 6 to 8 weeks, and you are suddenly needing to find something else to do on Friday nights, unless you want to go watch the same movies over and over.


As for payware online playing with FS, lol.. well.. I think thats a bit hilarious. Thats like running Windows Word online and paying 'moment to moment'. People will migrate to XP9 so fast. And people in Word will migrate to OpenGL Office.

We (the customers) are broke these days. We are saving all our pennies now.


As for the others like Star Wars and some of the games that are role playing, that are totally based on payware online playing 'only', they have been massively successful. But they started out that way, and they have some cool features and things (if I am correct), so they have their own world. But, I, well, I dont see how you can get a guy in there that just wants to fly a Cessna 140 from Phoenix to Flagstaff and pay $5.00 to do it is going to happen.


Hey,

Ubuntu! :d

:ernae:


Bill

Bill,
Please compare the Avsim library FSX section with the X-Plane.org XP9 section

I love Ubuntu. It's open, everyone can contribute, it's constantly evolving/improved and it's an "adult" OS, not really a gamer OS.
The more people use it and participate, the better it will get.
That reminds me somehow of FS

But i still like MS (even if they are too slow).
I only think it's good to voice concerns early and not in hindsight...


Nils

 

[Lionheart]

Bill,
Please compare the Avsim library FSX section with the X-Plane.org XP9 section.

Nils/JT8D-9A

I totally agree. FS has far more addons then XP9.

I think there are far less people with XP9 then people with FSX, and we have been into making models for FS for ages now. I think the guys at XP9 are new to all of this. They only recently came out with VC's, and their devs are having to learn how to make those.

I see XP9 as going through the stages we did with FS2002. Thats pretty much where they are. We Devs need to go in there and show them how to make some cool stuff. :d

I love Ubuntu. It's open, everyone can contribute, it's constantly evolving/improved and it's an "adult" OS, not really a gamer OS.
The more people use it and participate, the better it will get.
That reminds me somehow of FS

Nils/JT8D-9A

I am dying to try it. I am going to as soon as I get an old computer running to put it on. (or do the running CD on the Lappie).

I am so impressed with Apple presently. Fast, crisp.. But Win has Gmax, FS, Photoshop.. arrghh..


Bill

 

[n4gix]

There is absolutely no information at this time that even hints that any future FS will be a "pay to play" scheme. You will buy the software, download it, and either...

...a) play it "offline"
or
...b) play it "online"

 

[tigisfat]

There is absolutely no information at this time that even hints that any future FS will be a "pay to play" scheme. You will buy the software, download it, and either...

...a) play it "offline"
or
...b) play it "online"

You're saying this as if you have firsthand knowledge?

 

[Kiwikat]

I am dying to try it. I am going to as soon as I get an old computer running to put it on. (or do the running CD on the Lappie).

You don't even need a CD for it. You can make live USB drives now.

 

[Francois]

....... it just lacks the planes we have. It also does 100FPS

When you get past the demo and delve a bit deeper into both the sim itself and the communities surrounding it, you will soon find that it lacks quite a bit more than just that :faint:

 

[n4gix]

You're saying this as if you have firsthand knowledge?

It is a reasonable conclusion based upon what the delivery model for PC LIVE is currently, as well as other bits-and-bobs of datum which I've read and collected during my peregrinations around the World Wide Wasteland... :typing: