Blackbird T-38 is here

[keithb77]

Keith, I have never used Simapppro. I have used FSUIPC, SPAD.next, and Axis & Ohs. For me, Axis & Ohs is mostly easy and powerful. ...

Thanks John, I'm edging towards A&O will watch the Youtube.
I've taken the liberty of copying your reply into a new thread on the Orion, hope that's OK.

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[jmig]

Does anyone know which of the two available T-38's, this one or the Infinity one, is the best?
The Infinity one is considerably more expensive, is it worth the extra?

I find the Milviz T-38 instruments to look a bit more realistic, as I remember them. However, for the life of me I can't get it to start from C&D, the huffer only shows briefly then disappears. Dimus gave me some ideas to try. Tried them but they didn't work.

The Infinity T-38, which is built by Aero Dynamics is actually two birds. It offers the "C" model. If you like HUDs, this is your jet. I find this "A" model instrument panel's graphics to have slightly less fidelity than the Milviz's model. However, that isn't a deal killer for me. After a couple minutes, I quit noticing the difference, and I think that only someone who has flown the actual airplane will be aware of any differences.

What I do like about the Infinity model is that via the checklist, found in the map case, you can have external power and air provided, complete with a crewchief's voice. it was almost deja vu for me to go through the start up sequence. What I don't like is the stupid tablet holder on the left that you can't remove. Never had them on the real jet, at least not in my day.

Both need fiddling with the controls. I found the pitch to be to sensitive. I use a curve to dampen the pitch in the early stages. Did the save from the roll, although it wasn't as bad. With the Infinity model I had to assign a button for the afterburners. Thankfully the Winwing throttles have an afterburner (reheat for you Brits) built into the AB detent. I just had to assign them to the AB's. Set them as a toggle, so they come on and off as you go though the gates.

I have not tested either of the versions to see if they follow the curves. Since I was involved with developing the original Milviz T-38A I knew it flew by the numbers. I assume this version does too. The Infinity version feels good to me. Infinity claims their jets to be at least simi-studly level. I will give them the benefit of doubt that it is close to the real airplane's numbers. I do know that the "C" model systems are complex. They even offer simulated bombing and AA, just like the Robbins AFB fighter intro models do.

As for which one to buy, in my opinion, unless you are a tried and true steam gauge guy who will never fly the "C" model, I would go with the Infinity model. To me the "C" model is worth the extra money. Aero Dynamics is still developing the two models. What you are buying is a highly polished Beta.

 

[IanHenry]

I find the Milviz T-38 instruments to look a bit more realistic, as I remember them. However, for the life of me I can't get it to start from C&D, the huffer only shows briefly then disappears. Dimus gave me some ideas to try. Tried them but they didn't work.

The Infinity T-38, which is built by Aero Dynamics is actually two birds. It offers the "C" model. If you like HUDs, this is your jet. I find this "A" model instrument panel's graphics to have slightly less fidelity than the Milviz's model. However, that isn't a deal killer for me. After a couple minutes, I quit noticing the difference, and I think that only someone who has flown the actual airplane will be aware of any differences.

What I do like about the Infinity model is that via the checklist, found in the map case, you can have external power and air provided, complete with a crewchief's voice. it was almost deja vu for me to go through the start up sequence. What I don't like is the stupid tablet holder on the left that you can't remove. Never had them on the real jet, at least not in my day.

Both need fiddling with the controls. I found the pitch to be to sensitive. I use a curve to dampen the pitch in the early stages. Did the save from the roll, although it wasn't as bad. With the Infinity model I had to assign a button for the afterburners. Thankfully the Winwing throttles have an afterburner (reheat for you Brits) built into the AB detent. I just had to assign them to the AB's. Set them as a toggle, so they come on and off as you go though the gates.

I have not tested either of the versions to see if they follow the curves. Since I was involved with developing the original Milviz T-38A I knew it flew by the numbers. I assume this version does too. The Infinity version feels good to me. Infinity claims their jets to be at least simi-studly level. I will give them the benefit of doubt that it is close to the real airplane's numbers. I do know that the "C" model systems are complex. They even offer simulated bombing and AA, just like the Robbins AFB fighter intro models do.

As for which one to buy, in my opinion, unless you are a tried and true steam gauge guy who will never fly the "C" model, I would go with the Infinity model. To me the "C" model is worth the extra money. Aero Dynamics is still developing the two models. What you are buying is a highly polished Beta.

Many Thanks for your great review, it certainly goes into detail, and is much appreciated. I think I'm tempted to go with the Infinity model, although I did have the Milviz one in P3D and loved flying it!
Again, Many thanks

 

[Victory103]

Yep that's the review I was looking for from our Talon SME. Also beta tester the MV models and was fine with flying the port-over in 2020 until something better came along. Another to the list of models that will push me to 24.

 

[Sweetd31]

I find the Milviz T-38 instruments to look a bit more realistic, as I remember them. However, for the life of me I can't get it to start from C&D, the huffer only shows briefly then disappears. Dimus gave me some ideas to try. Tried them but they didn't work.

The Infinity T-38, which is built by Aero Dynamics is actually two birds. It offers the "C" model. If you like HUDs, this is your jet. I find this "A" model instrument panel's graphics to have slightly less fidelity than the Milviz's model. However, that isn't a deal killer for me. After a couple minutes, I quit noticing the difference, and I think that only someone who has flown the actual airplane will be aware of any differences.

What I do like about the Infinity model is that via the checklist, found in the map case, you can have external power and air provided, complete with a crewchief's voice. it was almost deja vu for me to go through the start up sequence. What I don't like is the stupid tablet holder on the left that you can't remove. Never had them on the real jet, at least not in my day.

Both need fiddling with the controls. I found the pitch to be to sensitive. I use a curve to dampen the pitch in the early stages. Did the save from the roll, although it wasn't as bad. With the Infinity model I had to assign a button for the afterburners. Thankfully the Winwing throttles have an afterburner (reheat for you Brits) built into the AB detent. I just had to assign them to the AB's. Set them as a toggle, so they come on and off as you go though the gates.

I have not tested either of the versions to see if they follow the curves. Since I was involved with developing the original Milviz T-38A I knew it flew by the numbers. I assume this version does too. The Infinity version feels good to me. Infinity claims their jets to be at least simi-studly level. I will give them the benefit of doubt that it is close to the real airplane's numbers. I do know that the "C" model systems are complex. They even offer simulated bombing and AA, just like the Robbins AFB fighter intro models do.

As for which one to buy, in my opinion, unless you are a tried and true steam gauge guy who will never fly the "C" model, I would go with the Infinity model. To me the "C" model is worth the extra money. Aero Dynamics is still developing the two models. What you are buying is a highly polished Beta.

Just underneath the ignitions, and kill switches is a compartment or "box" you open lefthand side, just in front of the throttle. A notebook paper allows you to click it for the huffer. When i start cold and dark the huffer is already attached. Make sure to remove the pins, intake and pitot tube covers. Press ignition, set throttle to idle. Wait for the gauges to come alive, start other engine and then close the compartment or "box" lid to unhook huffer.

Dont forget the battery and generators. As far as the throttles starting at max afterburner, thats odd, definitely consider having duplicate inputs. (Trust me, i know getting inputs set up right is a pain).

 

[Sweetd31]

Using the actual T38A cockpit, the huffer piece of notebook paper is located on a clickable box here

 

[jmig]

Just underneath the ignitions, and kill switches is a compartment or "box" you open lefthand side, just in front of the throttle. A notebook paper allows you to click it for the huffer. When i start cold and dark the huffer is already attached. Make sure to remove the pins, intake and pitot tube covers. Press ignition, set throttle to idle. Wait for the gauges to come alive, start other engine and then close the compartment or "box" lid to unhook huffer.

Dont forget the battery and generators. As far as the throttles starting at max afterburner, thats odd, definitely consider having duplicate inputs. (Trust me, i know getting inputs set up right is a pain).

Thank you for such a detailed explanation. I thought I had already done each of those steps, however, I will go back and try them again. I may have something out of order.

 

[DennyA]

I saw that Jedsim has released a payware Thunderbirds paint package for the T-38. Really sad that the Marketplace encryption bullshit has meant that the only community paints we’ve seen so far are the wonderful fixes that Keithb77 kindly did for the stupid lawyer-driven default paints.