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Boeing says I do not qualify to sell a Boeing FS plane!

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Lionheart

SOH-CM-2014
I thought you might all find this interesting.

After 2 weeks of talks with a certain person at Boeing, it was decided that I do not qualify to create/sell Boeing flight sim planes. The cause was stated that I do not have high enough sales figures.

Plane in mind was the prototype Boeing Bird of Prey.


I thought it was amusing.

Do all the guys that have payware Boeings pay royalties and purchase copyright contracts and do they all have company liability insurance? Just curious.



Bill
LHC
 
Bill, that answer from whom ever you were dealing with shows a total lack of understanding of the Flight Sim market for good add on aircraft. It is understandable for a company like Boeing to want to protect their brand, however, to say that any developer - especially one who does the right thing by requesting permission before designing an releasing - is not qualified because they do not have high enough sales is just small minded! I guess Boeing never started from the ground up, they must have appeared out of thin air with proven product and a strong sales history - Yeah right.

I think it is funny (sad really) that so many Corporate Bureaucrats are so intent on protecting the "brand" that they will refuse to allow their company name or product to be used for something like a Flight Sim model. Let's face it how many people would base any type of purchasing decision (from buying a aircraft to a seat on a flight) on what they seen in FSX. Let's get real even if a potential customer customer purchased a terrible FSX model or paint of an aircraft from a payware designer, how could that reflect on the real "Brand"? We all know in the scope of market share how ever one would define it, the total number of Flight Sim users that could even see an add on model or paint compared to the total market is so small it could not likely be calculated.

In a situation like this you would have been better off to go ahead on your own and design and release an excellent model like we all know it would have been and not opened the can of worms. It's really too bad I am sure it would have been a great deal of fun to have a Lionheart Creations Bird of Prey.
 
just because boeing says you can't make theirs, doesn't mean you couldn't make one by a fictional manufacturer.
i'm curious if they've given you minimum numbers that you would need to hit in order to qualify?
 
As I don't know the American legal (copyright) system, I won't comment the legal aspects However I'm surprised to read that Boeing doesn't look at quality, but makes the decision on sales......

Independent of sales numbers and quality I thought that every company would be happy with some free advertising of their name.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Bottom line is they want money....period. Just more proof to me that the world has truely gone insane!!
 
Is this a commercial airplane or military? I thought that they can't stop you from modeling a military airplane because it is considered public domain?
 
A painter/texturer nightmare :jump:

The Bird of Prey is designed to prevent shadows and is believed to have been used to test active camouflage which would involve its surfaces changing color or luminosity to match the surroundings says Wikipedia
 
Biill,

I think Boeing is making a dumb decision.

If you ever want to work with Lockheed Martin, let me know. I'm not saying I'm a big cog in the company, but I am in the company! :engel016:

Ken
 
gigabyte said:
Bill, that answer from whom ever you were dealing with shows a total lack of understanding of the Flight Sim market for good add on aircraft. It is understandable for a company like Boeing to want to protect their brand, however, to say that any developer - especially one who does the right thing by requesting permission before designing an releasing - is not qualified because they do not have high enough sales is just small minded! I guess Boeing never started from the ground up, they must have appeared out of thin air with proven product and a strong sales history - Yeah right.

I think it is funny (sad really) that so many Corporate Bureaucrats are so intent on protecting the "brand" that they will refuse to allow their company name or product to be used for something like a Flight Sim model. Let's face it how many people would base any type of purchasing decision (from buying a aircraft to a seat on a flight) on what they seen in FSX. Let's get real even if a potential customer customer purchased a terrible FSX model or paint of an aircraft from a payware designer, how could that reflect on the real "Brand"? We all know in the scope of market share how ever one would define it, the total number of Flight Sim users that could even see an add on model or paint compared to the total market is so small it could not likely be calculated.

In a situation like this you would have been better off to go ahead on your own and design and release an excellent model like we all know it would have been and not opened the can of worms. It's really too bad I am sure it would have been a great deal of fun to have a Lionheart Creations Bird of Prey.
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You make wise points, but you might be surprised mildly to learn that I know of at least two people whom I have encouraged to get their pilot's certificates and based upon flying certain aircraft in virtual realm, decided to go out and fly that aircraft in the real world to validate a purchase decision they made on the real aircraft!

So, I agree in the sense of these multi-million dollar military aircraft. But, when it comes to the GA flavor, Flight Sim X can actually be a smart inroad into new markets.

Cheers,

Ken
 
jmig said:
Is this a commercial airplane or military? I thought that they can't stop you from modeling a military airplane because it is considered public domain?
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This was a military technology demonstrator. I'd make it anyway, and I'd never have asked. It should've bene relatively simple to model, it had mostly off the shelf parts and a generic rendition of the default hornet gauges would've done just fine.
 
It 'is' totally legal to produce a plane (even a real one) that is of a similar (identical) shape so long as you do not use the companies name or logos 'if' the aircraft is out of production and is no longer produced, (manufactured).

So... With that, I 'could' in theory, produce the plane.

I would hate to do that. I think Boeing deserves credit (especially their team) for such a wild design.

Why why why does this kind of stuff have to happen. Just really gets to me.

Go to be nice, go through their processes, and this is how you are treated.. Arent big enough, dont sell enough, there is the door.. We'll contact you.. dont call us.




Bill
 
While I applaud you for trying to do the "right thing" I cannot help but think that if you had just gone & made the plane nothing would have ever happened.

Sometimes it is easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask permission ;)
 
This is Crazy..
These fools have Only hurt themself's by their actions..
Boeing needs to get a grip..And not be so upset over all of this..

BRAVO to you on your efforts, to me all you did was make them Look better by your efforts and work.
if they can't see this them they are all fools, and there is NO dealing with fools..
Common Sense is a Uncommon thing it does seem..
 
N2056 said:
While I applaud you for trying to do the "right thing" I cannot help but think that if you had just gone & made the plane nothing would have ever happened.

Sometimes it is easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask permission ;)
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This can be true.



HouseHobbit
This is Crazy..
These fools have Only hurt themself's by their actions..
Boeing needs to get a grip..And not be so upset over all of this..

BRAVO to you on your efforts, to me all you did was make them Look better by your efforts and work.
if they can't see this them they are all fools, and there is NO dealing with fools..
Common Sense is a Uncommon thing it does seem..
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HH, take a deep breath...

Dont let things get to you Sir. Things have a tendency to work themselves out.

I could be doing some of my own designs on the side. I might then be able to sell one to one of the big manfacturers and make some good money.

Im not worried about it. Though it kind of freaks me out that this happened. My thoughts are, what if the big wigs at Boeing find out about this? Would they feel the same way we feel? They might then see that there is an issue in the department that handles things like Flight Sim entertainment which is a form of media advertising. Perhaps its the Advertising department and the USAF I should go to for permissions. Who knows.. In all reality, its just FS.

Bill
 
Bill, this doesn't make much sense to me (ok, so nothing new there) but the fact that you are a small fish, so to speak, should make no difference. The company should pull their collective heads out of their butts and be flattered that you would want to create one of their products.

Boeing has enough $$$ that I would think it wouldn't matter one way or another who's making/selling their fs planes. If you made a profit on your work, it wouldn't be a blip on the radar to their bottom line, especially if you have don't high enough sales figures. Then I'd say make all the planes you want, as it would have no effect on Boeing's profit margin

Propriatarianism gone mad - Sheesh!
 
I wonder if A2A had to go through that bit while building their B-17 with Boeing. The bird of prey would certianly be an intersting sim bird, especially for this trekkie with an Andorian avatar :)

I hope it all works out Bill, if it doesn't work, I hope you conisder revisiting the Golden Age era racing planes. Supermarines, Curtiss, Macchis...etc. You already touched on it with your Bughatti racer. Imagine the fun of showing up at the local bush flying club lake in your Supermarine S6B :D


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Cheers
TJ
 
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