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C-97G Stratofreighter Uploaded

N117GA (52-2718), “Angel of Deliverance” is painted similarly to 45-59595, but the colors do not match. Tim Chop (the foundation president) elected to use a brighter red on the wings and tail, and a blue wing and stripe. The real 45-59595 used AN insignia red for the wings and tail, and willow green for the wing and stripe. Tim didn’t like the green, and chose blue instead; unfortunately, Minicraft and Corgi took pictures of 52-2718, and made their kits with the bright red and blue.

If you are painting 45-59595, use Insignia Red and Willow Green, and paint the control surfaces to match. Markings use USAF Font.

If you are painting N117GA as 45-59595, use a brighter red and lighter blue, and leave the control surfaces painted dope silver. Also, the USAF on the fuselage does not use USAF Font.

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Ice Patch:

An often overlooked detail the C and KC-97 is the ice patch. On each wing, on the leading edge 2/3 of the way between the outboard engine and wingtip, is a patch of flat-black paint. It is the ice warning patch, when it turned grey or shiny, it was indication that ice was forming on the leading edge.

--Dan
 
Sorry, I misspoke of the blue paint - there is certainly a difference there - and thank you Dan for the close-up photos to confirm that. The red is certainly the same between the stars & bars and the tail/wings - in a book I have on aircraft markings of the Strategic Air Command (1946-1953), the red tail/wings are always referred to as "insignia red Arctic Markings". In the same book it also mentions the "wing & speed line" marking on the fuselage being green on the original(s), as Dan has stated.
 
John, Any time, I'm glad I could help.

Here is a photo of the original paint on 45-59588:

Its a YC-97 (B-29 tail & R3350 engines), 45-59595 was a YC-97A (B-50 tail & R4360 engines), but they were in the same unit when 45-59595 was used in the Berlin Airlift. Notice the C-54 next door.

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Grey Eagle, The Airway Graphics decal sheet and the Herpa C-97 use a green wing and line, and are correct for the original.

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HvyEng said:
John, Any time, I'm glad I could help.

Here is a photo of the original paint on 45-59588:

Its a YC-97 (B-29 tail & R3350 engines), 45-59595 was a YC-97A (B-50 tail & R4360 engines), but they were in the same unit when 45-59595 was used in the Berlin Airlift. Notice the C-54 next door.

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Grey Eagle, That decal sheet and the Herpa C-97 are correct for the original.

--Dan
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This will be interesting to see if Jankees will just tweak the shades of red and blue in the paint he just finished. As far as the "greenies" go, this is news to me.
I couldn't find anything like you show here. I do like the blue color better and it seems like the restored one is red and blue and was just a matter of preference.


I did find this decal set and the shade of blue is lighter on the long stripes then the roundels.

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See, this is what happens if you want to be too quick.
I'll revisit the Angel when I get back. First I have to get up tomorrow at 5, drive from Brussels to Delft, then board a bus for Germany with 54 students, take them on a tour of oil reservoir analogs all over northern Germany during the entire week, drive back to Delft, back to Brussels and then sleep it off......and then I may find the time to have a look at the Angel again. You have a week to find more errors... see you guys later
 
AOD Changed the red

Based on the color sample John provided, I thought I'd try my hand at changing it to see the results. I didn't do anything else....just the red.




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I completed first successful testing flight abroad KC-97 flying one hour and half from Israeli air force base to HE1F and it works well!!

However I have questions that I am aware it would be remote possibility I would missed already asked questions and accompanying answers.

Questions:

I cannot find de-icing buttons???

Do I need to modify aircraft.cfg to get cool touchdown landing tire smokes? I landed and there was very little touchdown smoke.

Do all four mixture control switches operate as one switch instead of four separate switches? Is there any way I can operate four separate mixture switches as I would like to leave two out of four engines running during fast unloading cargo and uploading wounded soldiers in middle of military operation OR I would like to leave two out of four engines running during unloading in sub zero freezing Alaskan weather at Alaskan base?

Thanks,

Aharon
 
Hello Aharon:


Aharon said:
Questions:

I cannot find de-icing buttons???
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There isn't any at the present time however at some point I believe he will put all the necessary switches in somewhere..

Aharon said:
Do I need to modify aircraft.cfg to get cool touchdown landing tire smokes? I landed and there was very little touchdown smoke.
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Probably!! I believe your 'effects' folder has several different ones that you can try by going into your 'cfg' file and 'programming' them in - in place of the one that's there..

OR You can just 'chalk' it up as doing such a good landing - your tires didn't need to smoke !!!

Aharon said:
Do all four mixture control switches operate as one switch instead of four separate switches? Is there any way I can operate four separate mixture switches as I would like to leave two out of four engines running during fast unloading cargo and uploading wounded soldiers in middle of military operation OR I would like to leave two out of four engines running during unloading in sub zero freezing Alaskan weather at Alaskan base?
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If your using the 'mixture' control via the 'monitor panel', then all 4 will work at the same time unless you go to the 'top' of the 'engine monitor panel' and work each individual engine like you do when you do a 'start up'.. Another words, hit 'engine' button that controls the engine you want to stop, then hit your 'mixture cut off' button and that engine stop running, etc etc etc. If you don't do it individually, then all 4 will stop !!

OR

If your sitting in the pilots seat, you can turn to the right about 90* and on top of the 'center console' is a set of 'mixture' controls (the ones that the 'engineer' would work) - you can probably accomplish what you want from there also...

Hope this helps..

Bill
 
Duckie,
Thank you so much for the MATS. I am lovin' it.

Jankees,
Mooie repaint. Enjoy the "oil" trip, and we will see your updated repaint of the USAF when you get to it.
 
TiAr...AERO PACIFICO...Nice one! :encouragement:

Gray Eagle and manfredc3 - Glad you like it. Thank you for saying so.
 
WND,

Thanks for answers. When I say mixture control switches, I mean four yellow mixture control levels or throttles or whatever you call. Those four yellow levels seem to be operate as single level instead of four separate levels. Is it possible to have those four yellow mixture control levels as four seperate ones instead of a single one?

Regards,

Aharon
 
Aharon said:
WND,

Thanks for answers. When I say mixture control switches, I mean four yellow mixture control levels or throttles or whatever you call. Those four yellow levels seem to be operate as single level instead of four separate levels. Is it possible to have those four yellow mixture control levels as four seperate ones instead of a single one?

Regards,

Aharon
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Good morning Aharon:

After checking, apparently the 'mixture' controls do not operate the same as the 'throttles' do (they appear to be able to work individually from all 3 of their locations) - right now it appears you can only operate the 'mixtures' separately from the 'monitor' panel..

I will pass along this 'request' to Manfred and we'll see what he comes up with in the near future..

Have a great day..

WND
 
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