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Guys. Thanks the comments.

Yes it is a fun place to fly from and to QC over.

Spent a little time tweaking the LC today. Greened it up a bit more. Need to swap out the presnet LW watertank objects for some honest to goodness tank farm oil storage tank objects- if I can find some. ;)

Here a couple more screenies- with a nice afternoon cloud cover. The last I was having a gander at how the lighted parts looked:

Cheers
 
MaskRider said:
Aye, that they are.

The way I have the construction set up in G2K, I can swap out a developed Apra- which these screenies show- for an at the time of occupation Apra- which I have not "built" yet. Still looking for some good, comprehensive pre-SeaBees Apra pictures and diagrams.
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Never could find any pre-war charts. Maybe this link can help with pics, http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/npswapa/gallery/WAPA-2910.htm . Your liberation/build up harbor area looks first rate! Looking forward to flying over it again. I think the old airfield is being used again for Ops practices. Much of the time I was there it was overgrown with Tanga-tanga until the evac from Nam. Orote on Landing day pic hope its (here) and helps. Wahoo
 
Thanks for the picture, wahoo. I will add it to the collection. That National Park Service web site is a real gem- well worth exploring.

You know, the stock CFS2 location is not a half bad representation of pre-liberation Apra/Orote terrain and water. Biggest problem is the airfield being mis-located.

My effort so far is a real hybrid with just a single runway at Orote. I think that eventually- in later years- there were two cris-crossing runways. I decided to go with just the one, though. Was kinda going for a post liberation but not fill tilt modern look.

I went to Apra/Guam twice during my tour in the Navy. Home ported where we were- in Yokosuka- we had to be very sensitive about all things nuclear related. We always went to Guam for our Nuclear Weapons Acceptability(?) Inspections, NWAIs.

Nice place- seems I recall lots of great diving and snorkeling.
 
Glad you liked the photo. The Island has gone through quite a evolution in air fields from the 40s on. The Pan-Am Seaplane station, Orote field, plus vague reports about a second Japanese strip on the east side that never got finished, Harmon filed near Barrigada, The North fields for B-29s, the NAS that is now the International airport and Andy airpatch for the B-52s and now B-1s and 2s. Love to see them all done in you exceptional works ( should you ever have the "free hours" ). Like to learn how to do scenery like this, any Tutorials out there? I think the single strip at Orote "fits" well. It seems very appropriate with the pictures I've seen and the stories the Tons and Tans told me about those days. The Chamoros are some of the finest people I have ever had the good fortune of sharing life with. The elders would well up with tears when telling about the old Sumay village days before the war. Too bad our paths did not cross there. Were your qualifiers around the Main Navy base or up at the Fina Magazine. Between the reefs, the wrecks and the people I sometimes wonder what I am doing back stateside. Couple of more pics ( hopefully) . Whaoo
 
Were your qualifiers around the Main Navy base or up at the Fina Magazine.
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I was not too clear about the layout the place at that time- particularly on my first visit. However, I am pretty sure that we must have been up by Fina Magazine. We were way out in east Jesus someplace- away from everything.
 
I already did my ground attack missions on Guam and Rota for the Marianas before you put up screenies.Looks like back to the MB when you're finished.


Talon
 
Hi Talon. You can breath real easy for a while yet! This project still has a very long way to go.

Cheers,
Chris
 
I could use a few items to help round out this project and that would probably enhance everybody's future CFS2 fun:

A nice floating dry dock- ABSD type
A sub tender- Proteus type
Some nice tank farm style oil storage tanks with berms.

These items may already exist and I am just not aware of them.

Thanks,
Chris
 
MaskRider said:
I could use a few items to help round out this project and that would probably enhance everybody's future CFS2 fun:

A nice floating dry dock- ABSD type
A sub tender- Proteus type
Some nice tank farm style oil storage tanks with berms.

These items may already exist and I am just not aware of them.

Thanks,
Chris
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Do you have some pix, or better yet plans for the ships? I wanted to do a floating dock...

Tango did a tender, don't know if its the right one.

Thanks,
 
PSULLYKEYS said:
Do you have some pix, or better yet plans for the ships? I wanted to do a floating dock...

Tango did a tender, don't know if its the right one.

Thanks,
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Thanks for the feedback PSK.

I have quite a few pictures of the dry dock- no plans- but will certainly give the internet a good combing thru to see if I can find some.

I'll put together a package of info and email it to you?

As far as the "right type" tender, any thing from the Korean war era would be the right type I am sure. I will see what Tango has to offer.

Tango's website is the FOX 4 site, right?
 
Yes, Tango's site is Fox Four. I have the tender if you need it. Pix below is best I have now. Please email me the package on the floating dock when you have it. Thanks.:wavey:
 
Oh, I love that picture of the dry dock. Those auxiliary barges tied up alongside are awesome, too! The one up forward and the one along the near end would be cool little additions to the CFS2 harbor fleet!

That tender looks pretty cool. Although I think, technically that particular model is a likely a sea plane tender. However, there exists just the right spot for a seaplane tender at Apra!

I just looked thru my trusty old Jane's Fighting Ships of WWII. It appears that sub tenders used most extensively were the "Fulton" class tenders of which the Proteus was one.

Attached a couple o' screenies: the first shows a Fulton class Submarine tender (built 1942). The second shows a Currituck class seaplane tender (built 1943). I scanned these in from the teeny little images in Jane's. So they are lacking in visual detail.

I had a good look last night for any plans or dimensioned diagrams for floating dry docks- no joy so far although I did find lots of interesting stuff. I'll put a little package together nd get it too you soon.

Thanks PSK!
 
FYI:

The particular floating dry docks in question were actually constructed out of independent towable sections.

The AFBDs were 10 section floating dry docks. Each towable section displaced 3,500 tons, was 280 feet OAL, had an 80' beam and a draft of 9' (light).

Once hooked together the ten sections formed a drydock whose dimemensions were:
Displacement: 38,500 tons
Length: 927' (?)
Beam: 256
Draft: 9"(light), 78' (flooded)
Height: 28' (keel to well deck)
Inside width: 133' 7"
Lifting capacity: 90,000 tons
Complement: 690

Find attached some images that show clearly (as does the image you posted) the 10 towable sections that made up one of these large dry docks.
The first shot shows ones of the sections under tow.
NOTICE in the middle 2 shots the vessels that attached themselves to the side of the dry dock amidships (to the "stern of midships sections). What do you think those were all about? Maybe used to maneuver the dry dock from place to place in a harbor? Or some sort of larger auxiliary barges that contain larger workshops?

Interesting: the NAVY kept each of the sections on the books as an individual commisioned vessel and they were struck from the books as individual sections.
 
Hehe,

These four old AFDB sections are anchored in North Lock, Pearl Harbor- looks they've been modified for some other use.
 
Hehe, as it turns out, those four sections above are being auctioned off and are listed along with images at the govliquidation.com website.

Here is the listing:
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]SINGLE SECTION OF FLOATING DRY DOCK, BUILDER: PEARL HARBOR NAVAL SHIPYARD, DELIVERY DATE: 07/ 01/ 1943, LENGTH: 256FT, EXTREME BEAM: 80FT, MAX NAVIGATIONAL DRAFT: 9IN, CURRENT DISPLACEMENT: 3000 TONS, CURRENT DRAFT: 7FT 6IN, HULL MATERIAL: STEEL HULL - STEEL SUPERSTRUCTURE. IX-525 IS ONE SECTION OF THE AFDB-1 LARGE NON-SELF PROPELLED AUXILARY FLOATING DRY DOCK. AFDB-1 ORIGINALLY CONSISTED OF TEN SEPARATE SECTIONS AND IX-525 IS FORMERLY AFDB, 1C IS ONE OF THE TEN SECTIONS. PORTIONS OF IX-525 WING WALLS HAVE BEEN CUT OFF AND ARE MISSING FROM THE VESSEL AND MOST OF THE VESSEL S INSTALLED EQUIPEMNT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE VESSEL. HOWEVER, THERE ARE VARIOUS MISCELLANEOUS MATERIALS LOCATED ON THE MAIN DECK AND INTERIOR OF IX-525 INCLUDING TWO LARGE CONCRETE ANCHORS ON MAIN DECK OF VESSEL. ALL EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS ON BOARD IX-525 ARE INCLUDED IN THE SALE, EXCEPT THE MOORING CHAINS THE VESSEL IS PRESENTLY MOORED WITH. LOCATED AT NAVSEA INACTIVE SHIPS ON-SITE MAINT OFFICE (NISMO), PEARL HARBOR, HI. POC: MR. WALT LEONARD, PHONE: (808) 471-4521 EXT 13, EMAIL: WALTER. LEONARD@NAVY. MIL. PREVIEW/ REMOVAL BY APPOINTMENT ONLY, 24 HOUR ADVANCE NOTICE REQUIRED, BUYER LOAD.

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Pretty cool, huh?

Here are the pics
 
Thanks, MR that's a good start. I knew an old fellow at a Marina in FL who was the cook on one of the docks. He has since passed away. He had interesting stories about how the sections made their way across the Pacific and were joined together. I wish I had spent more time talking to him.

On the Proteus front: http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/36/3619.htm

looks like there may be enough to get started.

Like the floating dock stuff you posted, I'll see what happens when I get some more time. Check your PMs I'll give U my addy.
 
Sounds good PSK. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a PM. Thanks

BTW, did you notice the two pics of the Proteus at Polaris Point, Apra Harbor on that navsource page? I'm sure you did!

Thanks again!
 
MaskRider said:
I could use a few items to help round out this project and that would probably enhance everybody's future CFS2 fun:

A nice floating dry dock- ABSD type
A sub tender- Proteus type
Some nice tank farm style oil storage tanks with berms.

These items may already exist and I am just not aware of them.

Thanks,
Chris
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Hi Chris

Am I right to assume that you've looked at Wolfi's oil refinery objects and decided they're not quite what you need?

Cheers
BuV
 
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