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Carenado WIP: Beech D18
- Thread starter mgchrist5
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WarHorse47
SOH-CM-2024
IT'S OUT NOW 
Just got mine, and took a short flight. Beautiful, just beautiful.
I think they might have a few left if your hurry.
Just got mine, and took a short flight. Beautiful, just beautiful.
I think they might have a few left if your hurry.
IT'S OUT NOW
Just got mine, and took a short flight. Beautiful, just beautiful.
I think they might have a few left if your hurry.
That RED, OMG! I got the last one!
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tailspin45
Members +
Poor sound and flight model
An absolutely beautiful aircraft, but (with apologies to Anthin) to me it sounds awful and flies nothing like a real Model 18.
Worse, it has lots and lots of silly problems. Carenado says they'll fix them "soon," but....
See https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/538815-poor-sounds-and-flight-model/
I've temporarily added Milton's wonderful sounds and fiddled with the AIR and CFG files so it is flyable, but unless your willing to do that I'd stay away until they release an update.
But, dang, it's beautiful!
An absolutely beautiful aircraft, but (with apologies to Anthin) to me it sounds awful and flies nothing like a real Model 18.
Worse, it has lots and lots of silly problems. Carenado says they'll fix them "soon," but....
See https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/538815-poor-sounds-and-flight-model/
I've temporarily added Milton's wonderful sounds and fiddled with the AIR and CFG files so it is flyable, but unless your willing to do that I'd stay away until they release an update.
But, dang, it's beautiful!
Oh my. It's already bad enough that you are flooding another forum with your super-negativity and your apparently faulty installation and/or faulty joystick setup.
You might not believe it, but there are real pilots who are actually enjoying the Carenado D18 in its present form!
Btw, posting unauthorized FDE 'modifications' is an absolute no-go and comparing a FDE to a repaint shows how little you know about FDE design.
FYI, rest assured, the FDE will not be changed, or at least not significantly, in any future patch.
@Anthin, don't let tailspin45 spoil your fun with the D18. His 'bug' reports concerning the FDE are at least questionable.
henrystreet
Charter Member
Full disclaimer: I have NO experience in a Beech D18S and no real world reference for my comments.
Just for grins, I compared the aircraft.cfg files from Milton's FSX port available for download here at SOH and the aircraft config from the Carenado model. Some specific differences:
-the differences between the 2 cfg files regards empty weight, flight tuning, etc are really small in general. However.....
-Milton's is fully loaded with passenger weight and the Carenado has only a pilot (no copilot) in the station weights. this should make Milton's "heavier" in takeoff and increase the stall speed.
-the MOIs on the Carenado are significantly larger than Milton's. I suspect Milton has used a specific MOI calc model and Carenado has generalized numbers. this should make the Carenado more sluggish in roll and pitch.
i have not (and will not) look at the .air files.
be back in a minute with my popcorn.
Just for grins, I compared the aircraft.cfg files from Milton's FSX port available for download here at SOH and the aircraft config from the Carenado model. Some specific differences:
-the differences between the 2 cfg files regards empty weight, flight tuning, etc are really small in general. However.....
-Milton's is fully loaded with passenger weight and the Carenado has only a pilot (no copilot) in the station weights. this should make Milton's "heavier" in takeoff and increase the stall speed.
-the MOIs on the Carenado are significantly larger than Milton's. I suspect Milton has used a specific MOI calc model and Carenado has generalized numbers. this should make the Carenado more sluggish in roll and pitch.
i have not (and will not) look at the .air files.
be back in a minute with my popcorn.
1. Wrong assumption and I don't know how you want to 'generalize' MOI values. Furthermore MOI numbers have very little to do with sluggishness etc.
2. It's exactly the opposite. The Carenado D18 has very high roll rate at high speed (70deg/sec)….that's the same value like the real D18..
3. Without looking at the airfile, the core, you can't even remotely judge a FDE.
henrystreet
Charter Member
state your expertise and experience. otherwise you are a poser.
PS are you afraid to post at Avsim?
PS are you afraid to post at Avsim?
tailspin45
Members +
You can check your assertion about roll rate by watching Matt Younkin's performance. With full throw on the yoke, doing about 200 mph, it takes a fraction over 8 seconds for him to complete a 360-degree roll. At your 70 deg/sec rate he would have been able to complete 560º, more than a roll and half. And keep in mind he's flying a very light aircraft with minimum fuel.
BTW, I love the way the aircraft looks and have flown it over 10 hours in the last three days. I'm simply reporting the problems I've discovered so others won't be befuddled by problems or think it somehow represents how the real aircraft flies.
I do think Carenado should be embarrassed for releasing an aircraft in such poor shape, however. If it was billed as pre-release I'd have no gripe, and would be happy to help as I have other developers.
henrystreet
Charter Member
70 deg per sec is the published roll rate for several WWII fighters including the P-38 and F4F. talk about the Carenado model having fighter like performance!
heywooood
Mayor Emeritus of Taco City
all developers are different but I think today, as a rule, all add on aircraft releases are beta..to be tested in the wild over a far wider field of equipment and consumer knowledge - then adjusted by the developer according to PROPER feedback.
if you have bought the product, evaluated it, and responded to the developers own website, gotten no reply let alone repair after a reasonable time period..then I suppose grousing about it here would be understandable. But when I hear people say 'this should never have been released in this state' after less than a WEEK I just scratch my head. lol
I have not bought it yet and never buy anything like it in the first week - for just this reason. The airplane is beautiful. In 3-6 months it will be even better, and likely on sale somewhere.
To all of the customers making serious squawks to Carenado on their website or to their email I thank you. I'm sure you will be satisfied in due time.
if you have bought the product, evaluated it, and responded to the developers own website, gotten no reply let alone repair after a reasonable time period..then I suppose grousing about it here would be understandable. But when I hear people say 'this should never have been released in this state' after less than a WEEK I just scratch my head. lol
I have not bought it yet and never buy anything like it in the first week - for just this reason. The airplane is beautiful. In 3-6 months it will be even better, and likely on sale somewhere.
To all of the customers making serious squawks to Carenado on their website or to their email I thank you. I'm sure you will be satisfied in due time.
And? Where's the problem? I'm loving it when people are getting personal for no reason (see your previous post) and they don't know what they are talking about.
Unfortunately this most of the time goes hand in hand.
Maybe you can read or use a stopwatch better than tailspin45. Just check how long it takes for Matt to roll the Beech the remaining 90deg of the aileron roll:
https://youtu.be/9Jk83zZXhBI?t=179
@tailspin45. Did you notice that he's even reducing the aileron travel at the last part...talk about embarrassing...
henrystreet
Charter Member
You have 31 posts, none signed with any kind of real name. No demonstrated experience or expertise and you expect everyone else to bow to your little tarts of wisdom. I qualified my knowledge, how about you?
PS you still afraid of posting at Avsim?
henrystreet
Charter Member
Har! thanks for that one. I saw this movie as a first run at the drive in!
70 Degrees per second is actually very mediocre rolling performance for a fighter of that era but what do you expect out of something as big as the P-38 Lightning.
It also matters what the airspeed is for that roll rate.
If you really want to see a fantastic roll rate, check out this video at about 1:55-2:05.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8-hoY0DGYg
- Ivan.
