Carenado WIP: Beech D18

[bazzar]

It is interesting how flight dynamics have become "the new black". It used to be systems depth, then fidelity of detail and textures, now everybody is an FD officianado. What's next? The quality of the checklist?

 

[stovall]

Good post Henrystreet! Please keep things from being personal. We have a great aircraft here. Enjoy it and make constructive comments. I have Milton's Beech D18 and love it. No doubt I will be getting the Carenado version as well from what I see here and the release post that I stickied.

Constructive comments please.

 

[heywooood]

I seem to be spending a lot more time lately being underwhelmed by the crap some people think they know...

seems to happen only whenever I'm paying any attention at all to the crap those people say.

the good news is that the feeling goes away completely when I stop, so - problem solved I guess

 

[MustangL2W]

The Carenado D18 is a wonderful example. I am thankful for their development and I am totally happy to have purchased it. Money well spent. I too Love the Shupe example and have no preference of one over the other. I appreciate them for all the effort involved in bringing them to us to enjoy. I have purchased a lot of payware over the years... some good, some not so good. I LOVE Flightsimming....and believe totally in supporting the community that keeps this hobby what it is. The developers out there keep raising the bar and we should all be grateful. If you want "perfect" flight dynamics for a Beech 18 experience..... go out and Fly a real one! Opinions and criticisms aired-out on an internet forum can, and possibly has, prevented a developer from doing something amazing in the future. It is heartbreaking when a developer throws in the towel. We all need to be reminded of that.

 

[magoo]

When did Milton & Co. first release their Beech 18 series....was it still with FS2002...?

 

[bbrz]

1.The Carenado D18 is a wonderful example. I am thankful for their development and I am totally happy to have purchased it. Money well spent.
2.If you want "perfect" flight dynamics for a Beech 18 experience..... go out and Fly a real one!
3.Opinions and criticisms aired-out on an internet forum can, and possibly has, prevented a developer from doing something amazing in the future. It is heartbreaking when a developer throws in the towel.

1. I'm happy that you didn't loose interest in the Carenado version despite tailspin45s claim that the Carenado version flies nothing like the real thing.

2. Exactly. The D18 roll rate is a good example. The yoke on the D18 rotates 90deg in each direction and an average joystick approx 25deg. This makes the simulated D18 almost 4 times more 'sensitive' than the real one.

There's simply no way to recreate 'only' the 'correct' handling with a joystick or a cheap yoke.​

If you are using an expensive control loading yoke that rotates 90deg, the experience will be much closer to the real one, but still a far cry away from flying the real thing.

3. That's unfortunately true. I opted for another way since I love flying and flightsimming since many decades. I 'officially' stopped developing high quality FDEs a long time ago and I'm trying to refrain from posting as much as possible.
If you want to experience pure whining and developer bashing head over to the 'other' forum. Although it seems that since Jim Young has taken over, it's starting to become a much more friendly place.
SOH is the only forum I 'could' enjoy. But as you can easily tell in this thread, it was unfortunately a good idea not to reveal my identity.
I'd love to take part in FDE discussions but I've had such bad experiences with customers I finally gave up.
Again the D18 is a good example. Even with many decades of RL flying and FDE developing experience, I know that I wouldn't had a chance at the 'other' forum if a RL D18 pilot states that the Carenado D18 has a crap FDE, although it turns out that this apparently isn't the case.

 

[Bushpounder]

Henrystreet, you nailed it. Good post.

Don​

 

[falcon409]

3. . . . . . . . .SOH is the only forum I 'could' enjoy. But as you can easily tell in this thread, it was unfortunately a good idea not to reveal my identity.
I'd love to take part in FDE discussions but I've had such bad experiences with customers I finally gave up.

I am looking in from the outside on this discussion simply because I know nothing about FDE's and won't be purchasing the Carenado Beech 18 (I've got Milton's which is plenty for me).

This community has quite a few FDE guru's, all well known, all widely accepted, all very competent, so I'm curious about why it is that you feel that revealing your true identity would be so detrimental to you? If you intend to portray yourself as an expert, then I suggest you drop the melodramatics and let everyone know what your true background is and who you actually are. . .otherwise nothing you say can be taken seriously.

 

[bbrz]

Fear not. I will not make the error to post here ever again.

 

[heywooood]

Clear and Direct - there is no other way to be, Falcon
and by the reply it was effective

 

[Milton Shupe]

Just a couple of comments from the "Shupester"

1) My original D18S was released in 2005 for FS2002 and FS2004. I did the FDE using Jerry Beckwith's FD Worksheet and tuned it to my liking.
Just FYI; I have never flown in any aircraft from the left or right seat.
My latest release of the FSX native D18S has the same FDE with minor tweaks as the original.
I was a novice then; I am an FDE novice now and rely on Airwrench to give me the basic performance and handling results. Then I tweak handling to suit my tastes.

2) I am saddened by how this thread has devolved and the obvious piling on of a member. That is unacceptable.

3) I have known, worked with, and respected "bbrz" since 2001-2 in developing my very first aircraft. He was instrumental in providing tons of data (Full RL POH), reference pictures, hours of videos, advice and counseling on the aircraft he piloted for so many years. He has many hours of pilot time in singles, twins, quads, and jet airliners. I also know that he authored the FDE's for many payware aircraft that people here love. He also did the FDE for one of my more recent releases. English is not his primary language.

With that said, I ask that you focus on being helpful and treat all members as you would like to be treated.

Thanks
Milton out ...

 

[Willy]

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With that said, I ask that you focus on being helpful and treat all members as you would like to be treated.

Thanks
Milton out ...

Just to add to what Milton said, it was often said by one of the founders of SOH, "Let being helpful be more important than being right".

 

[heywooood]

I apoligize for my part in it. Yesterday was a rough day. I come to this forum to
get some relief. When discourse like this occurs again I’ll just walk away and remind myself
it can happen anywhere. Lately it seems to be happening everywhere..like a new ‘normal’