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Over50
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I can imagine how frustrating this if for you. Talk about tenacity! Were it me I'd be ready right about now to fine tune my rig with a 5 lb hammer..
I can imagine how frustrating this if for you. Talk about tenacity! Were it me I'd be ready right about now to fine tune my rig with a 5 lb hammer..
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Polovski
Guest
Joker, do the steps I sent in the email, you have to do this methodically. It sounds like something is mangled... so memory testing as I sent, or uninstall reinstall properly and carefully as to the tests I sent.
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Siggi
Guest
Joker, have you tried installing a fresh copy of DX9 or DX10?
If all else fails are you in a position to do a complete reinstall of the OS?
If all else fails are you in a position to do a complete reinstall of the OS?
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Joker
Guest
Yeah "50" I have been called a pit bull now and then. I will know when enough is enough though. RAM and Reinstall POL, then no more options. RAM should be in early this week.
I see no reason at this point to do a OS install based on the one sim that I can't get to work.
I see no reason at this point to do a OS install based on the one sim that I can't get to work.
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hispeed
Guest
Hmmm
My game is crashing to desktop everytie i play now. Just started after installing 1.25.
[EDIT: my problem appears to be with CFS3 not OFF...all my CFS3 addons are CTD after I start flying]
[EDIT] reinstalled CFS3, my Saitek x52 profiles and rebooted, problem gone -- whew! scared me there!! Again this was NOT a problem with OFF, I'm glad to report.
Joker, hope you get your issues relolved soon!
My game is crashing to desktop everytie i play now. Just started after installing 1.25.
[EDIT: my problem appears to be with CFS3 not OFF...all my CFS3 addons are CTD after I start flying]
[EDIT] reinstalled CFS3, my Saitek x52 profiles and rebooted, problem gone -- whew! scared me there!! Again this was NOT a problem with OFF, I'm glad to report.
Joker, hope you get your issues relolved soon!
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Over50
Guest
Yeah "50" I have been called a pit bull now and then. I will know when enough is enough though. RAM and Reinstall POL, then no more options. RAM should be in early this week.
I see no reason at this point to do a OS install based on the one sim that I can't get to work.
While I tend to agree this may be a memory issue as has been suggested, there's one additional thing I'd try just to rule it out and that's the XP service pack 3 based on reported installed application problems from a number of people after installing it. Were it me I'd uninstall SP3 (reverting to SP2) at this point just to rule it out. The uninstall is relatively painless based on what I've read. I can't remember the string to plug into the Start | Run command line to uninstall SP3 but will do a search for the Microsoft link and post back..
EDIT: Here's the link
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James "Taffy" Jones
Guest
Possible solution to crash??!!
Joker,
Sorry to hear you are still having problems but glad that you are still sticking to it! Tenacious little bugger! Assuming you are able to get this thing going, I would hate to have you stuck on my six! :help:
What if I told you I might have a solution for your problem? Truth be told, my rig used to crash all the time with OFF2 and sometimes still with OFF3. The tentative solution I have (still testing but I wanted to let you know so you can try it) is this: 1) Start OFF manager. 2) Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete to bring up Task Manager. 3) In TM, click the Processes tab and locate OFFManager.exe . 4) Right click on it and highlight "Set Priority" in the drop down list. 5) Another drop list opens up, select "AboveNormal" to change it from Normal. Click the confirmation box to confirm.
If you want, and you have more than a single core, you can also select "Choose Affinity." Uncheck every CPU except one to run OFF (OFF doesn't utilize more than one core). Note: I am still trying to determine if this extra step is even necessary. We may only have to set the priority and not worry about affinity.
Using these changes, I completed a mission that lasted for over 75 minutes without any crashes back to the OFF manager. The only problem with this method is that you have to follow the above steps every time you quit and restart OFF manager.
I'm going to do some more testing with these settings later today. Let me know if they work for you.
Joker,
Sorry to hear you are still having problems but glad that you are still sticking to it! Tenacious little bugger! Assuming you are able to get this thing going, I would hate to have you stuck on my six! :help:
What if I told you I might have a solution for your problem? Truth be told, my rig used to crash all the time with OFF2 and sometimes still with OFF3. The tentative solution I have (still testing but I wanted to let you know so you can try it) is this: 1) Start OFF manager. 2) Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete to bring up Task Manager. 3) In TM, click the Processes tab and locate OFFManager.exe . 4) Right click on it and highlight "Set Priority" in the drop down list. 5) Another drop list opens up, select "AboveNormal" to change it from Normal. Click the confirmation box to confirm.
If you want, and you have more than a single core, you can also select "Choose Affinity." Uncheck every CPU except one to run OFF (OFF doesn't utilize more than one core). Note: I am still trying to determine if this extra step is even necessary. We may only have to set the priority and not worry about affinity.
Using these changes, I completed a mission that lasted for over 75 minutes without any crashes back to the OFF manager. The only problem with this method is that you have to follow the above steps every time you quit and restart OFF manager.
I'm going to do some more testing with these settings later today. Let me know if they work for you.
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Joker
Guest
HI speed..Thanks friend. Maybe that will work.
James...let me know if you can confirm this works for you. I have indeed tried the CPU infinity thing without positive results. Back of my mind, I have a feeling the re-install is going to be the ticket...will wait for the RAM first though. Per POL one step at a time.....Man I look forward to flying with/against you folks!
James...let me know if you can confirm this works for you. I have indeed tried the CPU infinity thing without positive results. Back of my mind, I have a feeling the re-install is going to be the ticket...will wait for the RAM first though. Per POL one step at a time.....Man I look forward to flying with/against you folks!
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rabu
Guest
Hay, Steve, one thing, you are persistent! But, really, sorry you are having problems and I sure hope someone here can figure out what's causing your problem. As I said earlier, luckily, you are in a minority or this place would be crazy by now.
Thanks for your patience, maybe it will help some other guy down the road with a similar problem.
Thanks for your patience, maybe it will help some other guy down the road with a similar problem.
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Joker
Guest
Yeah I feel like a beta tester or troubleshooter...I tell you one thing though. There is very good systems diagnosis information in this thread. I just hope I can fix myself first though. lol
Joker,
I read over most of this thread, but admittedly didn't read all the posts, so forgive me if this has alrady been mentioned. I read about your problems and have been thinking about it...I have a very similar board to yours (mine is a 780i FTW; just rebuilt from an Asus board with an Nvidia 680i chipset).
Several here have touched on memory issues, but there's something I don't think anyone mentioned - something that is in the Nvidia BIOS for the SLI-enabled motherboards. If you don't mind poking around in the BIOS a bit, look for a setting called "SLI-ready memory", and make sure it's DISABLED. Regardless of the speed or whether overclocked, both my boards - even though I do have SLI-ready memory - had the same problem you're having when I ran OFF.
If you can't find it in the BIOS, look in the motherboard manual or PM me and I'll be glad to help.
HTH/Best
I read over most of this thread, but admittedly didn't read all the posts, so forgive me if this has alrady been mentioned. I read about your problems and have been thinking about it...I have a very similar board to yours (mine is a 780i FTW; just rebuilt from an Asus board with an Nvidia 680i chipset).
Several here have touched on memory issues, but there's something I don't think anyone mentioned - something that is in the Nvidia BIOS for the SLI-enabled motherboards. If you don't mind poking around in the BIOS a bit, look for a setting called "SLI-ready memory", and make sure it's DISABLED. Regardless of the speed or whether overclocked, both my boards - even though I do have SLI-ready memory - had the same problem you're having when I ran OFF.
If you can't find it in the BIOS, look in the motherboard manual or PM me and I'll be glad to help.
HTH/Best
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Joker
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Super Cliff, thanks..I will go poking around for this when I get home from work today..Thanks for reading, and your good suggestion.
Steve
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Over50
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Must be an inclusion for the 780i mobo as I can't find this option (or haven't) in the BIOS for my 750i board. Under which BIOS category is it in your system?
Over50 - as I mentioned, this setting occurred in my previous motherboard (Asus P5N32-E SLI - which was actually a *680i* chipset) and in the new one (An eVGA 780i FTW). I think (maybe?) the 750 chipset didn't support SLI-ready memory (and thus, not in BIOS). I do know that a 750i chipset doesn't support both PCIe slots running at 16x - when the 750i chipset runs SLI, then both cards are actually run at 8x, if I recall (one reason I bought a 680i-based board originally; to make sure that it was 'true' 2 x16 SLI).
The BIOS setting on my current board is located under "FSB/Memory Timings" screen, I think, whereas the Asus board had it under the "Extreme Tweaker" screen, I believe - you could actually go to eVGA and/or Asus website ad download the manuals for the two boards; BIOS settings are covered in the respective manuals.
Incidentally, the memory *speed* (on my new board) is still set for 1066 (PC2-8500 memory), so the setting for "SLI-ready memory doesn't directly affect speed, far as I can tell. Same for the Asus board I had (although it would only work with 800/PC2-6400). And, I haven't noticed any measureable difference in performance.
Finally, SLI has taken a lot of lumps in here, where OFF is concerned. But, I speak from first hand experience: While SLI may not benefit OFF, I've found nothing to suggest it *hurts* OFF, either. If (a user) mentions they're running an SLI machine, people tend to jump all over it as the source of a problem. I think this is nothing more than people who don't really understand what they're dealing with. Of the ones I've seen toss blame at SLI, I found it interesting that few of them actually *use* an SLI rig.
HTH/Best
The BIOS setting on my current board is located under "FSB/Memory Timings" screen, I think, whereas the Asus board had it under the "Extreme Tweaker" screen, I believe - you could actually go to eVGA and/or Asus website ad download the manuals for the two boards; BIOS settings are covered in the respective manuals.
Incidentally, the memory *speed* (on my new board) is still set for 1066 (PC2-8500 memory), so the setting for "SLI-ready memory doesn't directly affect speed, far as I can tell. Same for the Asus board I had (although it would only work with 800/PC2-6400). And, I haven't noticed any measureable difference in performance.
Finally, SLI has taken a lot of lumps in here, where OFF is concerned. But, I speak from first hand experience: While SLI may not benefit OFF, I've found nothing to suggest it *hurts* OFF, either. If (a user) mentions they're running an SLI machine, people tend to jump all over it as the source of a problem. I think this is nothing more than people who don't really understand what they're dealing with. Of the ones I've seen toss blame at SLI, I found it interesting that few of them actually *use* an SLI rig.
HTH/Best
Another note, before someone notices and screams about it: I didn't update my sig line below yet - the specs I list above are the way the machine was built at one time or another; the sig line was written during one (of many) states. (One might get the impression I've screwed around a lot with my hardware trying to get top performance from OFF, huh? *lol*)
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Over50
Guest
Actually the 750i mobo does support so-called SLI ready memory according to this Evga chart.
http://www.evga.com/support/motherboard/
I don't profess expertise in this area but from everything I've read "SLI ready memory" is configured at faster timing settings out of the box so to speak, but nothing that can't be achieved by manually setting the timings in a mobo BIOS that permits this option with OC'able memory - however you pay more for the preconfigured (SLI ready) memory. And as you noted even with faster mem timings the difference between standard mem timings is only fractionally measurable.
"Actually the 750i mobo does support so-called SLI ready memory..."
Hmmm. I wonder why you don't find it in the BIOS, then? Does the eVGA website say anything about that? And, is it true that the 750i set doesn't support both boards running 16x SLI? (Come to think of it, maybe that was the *650i*...I don't recall at the moment). (As an aside - maybe the BIOS option was added later, to allow DISABLING this, due to problems??? Have you updated your 750i BIOS?)
Yes - the SLI-ready memory is, I believe, set up to support what's called "EPP" (Enhanced Performance Profile, or some such). I think you're right, it's just pre-set to report timings/speed that 'standard' memory doesn't support without OCing. It apparently is also pre-configured to crash OFF *lol*.
Hmmm. I wonder why you don't find it in the BIOS, then? Does the eVGA website say anything about that? And, is it true that the 750i set doesn't support both boards running 16x SLI? (Come to think of it, maybe that was the *650i*...I don't recall at the moment). (As an aside - maybe the BIOS option was added later, to allow DISABLING this, due to problems??? Have you updated your 750i BIOS?)
Yes - the SLI-ready memory is, I believe, set up to support what's called "EPP" (Enhanced Performance Profile, or some such). I think you're right, it's just pre-set to report timings/speed that 'standard' memory doesn't support without OCing. It apparently is also pre-configured to crash OFF *lol*.
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Over50
Guest
The probable reason for the absence of the SLI mem setting in the BIOS is because I'm running with the BIOS verson 1.0 so to speak. With no stability or other problems with my 750i I've kept with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" premise. Quite possibly the later BIOS versions do include the SLI mem option. Then too, I'm not that much of a performance nut to get into mem timings - which is REALLY out of my comfort zone. I OC my GPU with evga's Precision application and I'm running with my E8400 modestly OC'd to 3.6 GHz - but that's the limit of my technical tinkering! :d
With no stability or other problems with my 750i I've kept with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" premise
Probably a wise choice on your part I remember when the rule used to be if they released an update, you installed it. For the past 5 years or more, the advice is (more often than not) if you don't have a problem, better off not updating.
I sort of wondered if maybe an older BIOS was possibly why you don't see that SLI-ready memory option.
Probably a wise choice on your part
I remember when the rule used to be if they released an update, you installed it. For the past 5 years or more, the advice is (more often than not) if you don't have a problem, better off not updating.I sort of wondered if maybe an older BIOS was possibly why you don't see that SLI-ready memory option.