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Bjoern
worst developer ever
Bad day at the desktop, Bjoern?? lol
Tried to continue work on a project involving texture mapping and texture painting in GIMP after posting. Quit after half an hour and curled up in the corner.
Lost that lovin' feeling.
Too many clicks involved.
Ever transferred aircraft models between modeling tools?
I have and it's a royal PITA. You usually lose at least the animations and smoothing groups, sometimes even the texture mapping.
Seriously...?
Doesn't work reliablay. I usually load it into ModelConverterX and keep track of the paint stuff there.
Still, it annoys the living daylight out of me that models can be properly refreshed, while FSX refuses to reload textures if they're already present in FSX' allocated memory.
On a brighter note, the issue was much, much worse in FS9.
http://fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/forcing-a-texture-refresh-in-fsx.23115/#post-582312
See above.
Time for a team doesn't fit into my highly irregular development schedule.
Tried team-based modeling before. Set up Google Drive with with full access, etc...
The guy made two submissions, made changes to my "no go" areas that were not to receive any more changes because I simply wanted to move on to other things that needed work. Told him that I wanted him to primarily focus on other areas; never heard of him again after that.
Good for you, but I usually don't have the patience to wait for any replies from people associated with the real deal or can keep up my motivation to actually do something with the reference data people send me. I figure that guessing how something works or looks is half of the fun of developing.
Can't relate; no A2A stuff here.
Ahahahaha!
I think a thread for dead/incomplete projects might be slightly useful.
The guilt usually disappears for a time after I publish the source files. Then I realize that even the source files are a magnet for dumb questions like "What do I do with these?" or "How does [modeling tool] work?" and it returns.
Can't win.
fsxar177
Long-Time Enthusiast
Good read Bjoern,
I must say; It's interesting to see, the many differing opinions, practices, and disciplines that make up the FS development community!
The idea of a common library of sorts, with un-completed projects.. The ones that will never see the light of day, if they are left where they are, is a pretty nifty idea. Even if there was a minimal rights fee associated with higher-end projects..where another developer could pick up the reins, and continue a project.
Hmm..
- Joseph
I must say; It's interesting to see, the many differing opinions, practices, and disciplines that make up the FS development community!
The idea of a common library of sorts, with un-completed projects.. The ones that will never see the light of day, if they are left where they are, is a pretty nifty idea. Even if there was a minimal rights fee associated with higher-end projects..where another developer could pick up the reins, and continue a project.
Hmm..
- Joseph
Dutcheeseblend
Blenderer
IIRC from long ago, Simviation had a section called 'Abandoned projects' or something the like. Maybe we can put this up here? Or does it need a shop environment, for the fees?
I would think a thread of abandoned projects and who to contact via email if interested for the particulars of taking the project over would be a good start. Then anyone who has an abandoned project could post it with contact particulars. You would not want to post the actual project as it would make it open game for anyone to steal the previous developers work.
Dave
Dave
Bjoern
worst developer ever
I think with a bit of organizing, something like an "abandoned stuff" database can be created at at FSDeveloper.
If Arno doesn't have any hosting space available, a Wiki article on FSDev with links to any relevant resources might just do the trick.
Hosting can be done on a service (Google Drive, OneDrive, etc...), at one of the larger flightsim sites or on a private server.
The problem is that projects usually use up a lot more data than a finished product because they contain a lot of uncompressed stuff. Also, download numbers are usually low and thus the data is more dead weight than fun stuff.
Also, they will have to be organized with as little clutter as possible and maybe a short note about the original goal and the state the project was abandoned in.
In my case, I tend to use a bit of other people's work in my stuff, so permissions are another issue.
Milviz' projects could be added to a database, but instead of a download link, interested parties should only get a way of contacting Colin.
Same for projects that incur any kind of cost or special permissions.
Well, I hope that at least the hint regarding texture refreshes can help to make someone else's development process a little bit less miserable.
What would you do if your most wanted add-on was on that list?
Nag any developers about taking it up and finishing it for you?
Put on your toolbelt and finish it yourself?
If Arno doesn't have any hosting space available, a Wiki article on FSDev with links to any relevant resources might just do the trick.
Hosting can be done on a service (Google Drive, OneDrive, etc...), at one of the larger flightsim sites or on a private server.
The problem is that projects usually use up a lot more data than a finished product because they contain a lot of uncompressed stuff. Also, download numbers are usually low and thus the data is more dead weight than fun stuff.
Also, they will have to be organized with as little clutter as possible and maybe a short note about the original goal and the state the project was abandoned in.
In my case, I tend to use a bit of other people's work in my stuff, so permissions are another issue.
Milviz' projects could be added to a database, but instead of a download link, interested parties should only get a way of contacting Colin.
Same for projects that incur any kind of cost or special permissions.
Well, I hope that at least the hint regarding texture refreshes can help to make someone else's development process a little bit less miserable.
What would you do if your most wanted add-on was on that list?
Nag any developers about taking it up and finishing it for you?
Put on your toolbelt and finish it yourself?
Mach3DS
Charter Member
I wouldn't nag anyone to complete it...I have blender and with a few friends might actually take up the challenge given the right circumstances...you never know...I started repainting after wanting bare aluminum skins which no one would or could find time to make for me so I tried to learn and started repaintin as a result...I'm still a novice but you never know!
fsxar177
Long-Time Enthusiast
I know we keep straying further from the original topic...
However, wouldn't it be nice, if there was a organized means of accomplishing something like this .. ? And with regards to the question "What if your favorite was on the list".. I know it's unheard of, but you could offer to send $50 toward the developer..
Maybe you'll never get a return on it..
Or - Maybe You'd encourage him just enough, that something might actually come of it!
- Joseph
However, wouldn't it be nice, if there was a organized means of accomplishing something like this .. ? And with regards to the question "What if your favorite was on the list".. I know it's unheard of, but you could offer to send $50 toward the developer..
Maybe you'll never get a return on it..
Or - Maybe You'd encourage him just enough, that something might actually come of it!
- Joseph
The abandoned projects idea sounds great! Maybe we could set up some sort of a SOH group for that? Like the old SOH donation team? We have some good devs / repainters / coders here and I'm sure we could turn out some great projects!
Cheers,
Mark
Cheers,
Mark
Jafo
SOH-CM-2024
LOL...
You missed the bit about painting...
Aligned the right-side fuse....transferred to top...merge layers copy paste reload into DxtBmp save refresh FSX look...see 1 pixel miss....
Start over...
Move top 1 pixel...merge layers copy paste reload into DxtBmp save refresh FSX look...see 3 pixel offset to Right side fuse....
Start over...
Christoph_T
SOH-CM-2016
"Made an exceptionally painter-friendly paintkit?
No one cares."
In my case that is actually not true!!
About 80% of the time I am dealing with anything related to the sim, I am jumping through the different layers of the provided paintkits
But you right with:
"Want to keep track of your repaint's progress in FSX?
Restart the simulator after every export from your painting tool."
You can use "model converter" which showes you your progress much faster;-)
But of course this is only the small viewpoint of a little repainter like me.
Nice explaining and entertaining comment anyway
Christoph
No one cares."
In my case that is actually not true!!
About 80% of the time I am dealing with anything related to the sim, I am jumping through the different layers of the provided paintkits
But you right with:
"Want to keep track of your repaint's progress in FSX?
Restart the simulator after every export from your painting tool."
You can use "model converter" which showes you your progress much faster;-)
But of course this is only the small viewpoint of a little repainter like me.
Nice explaining and entertaining comment anyway
Christoph
Christoph_T
SOH-CM-2016
Oh yes, I know that very well
In my last projects I drove crazy several times course of not perfectly lined up patterns and other showstoppers
