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Dose Pre Damage work on Ships?

No bomb or torpedo prob as of now. I cut both CVs to one large hull box. The Japanese CV takes 4 500lbs and it is sunk and the US CV takes 4 250kg and it is sunk.

I'm not using torpedos but I did test the Japanese CV that is at 20000 or the same as Jap Type 91. The Type 91 sent the Japanese CV down in one hit. I had no fish go under the CV. I only made one run and it worked the first time.
 
Iam watching this thread with great interest. Though the original question seems to have been lost. No one knows for sure if predamage works, but I use it often when a mission has a ship being attacked for the second time, ie: the Musashi in my "USS Essex CV9" campaign or the Shokaku in the "Desperate Battles" campaign.

The B-24 Guy: You are absolutely right, The AI mostly attack from a slight angle astern and seem to aim for amidships. Looking at the picture I posted the aiming point was the meatball, but the impact point was probably closer to amidships too.

UncleTgt: "I think the stock ship dps probably need to be revamped. Blue Devil had some good ideas on improving ship dps. Take a look at his Liberty Marus & associated discussions & it might help."

The only thing I did to my stock ships was to add Nibbio's dps and cfgs to accomodate his longer wakes, smoke, oil slicks/debris etc. None of those additions seemed to change vulnerability. Instead of strenghening or modifying them, other than as mentioned above, I use different ships - Collin's, Usio's and VN's. Most players now have computers that can handle them now without too much frame rate drain and they look 100% better and are tougher than their weaker stock "cousins." I now only use stock ships in a mission when they are not primary targets and the formation is too large to use all Usio ships - to save on frame rates. Again, I use Pen32Win's dps for the VN and Usio shipping because the mellow out the flak a bit and reduce the hardness (on Usio's very hard ships). These are only for PTO shipping however and only a rare few for stock craft.

A strike on Usio's Zuikaku watch my wingmen attack after my run: http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/Pechora07/?action=view&current=SolomonsStrike4B.mp4 we didn't sink her but met the damage percentage requrement for mission success.
 
SW07,

Agree it's quite an enlightening discussion.

What I was trying to say was I think Blue Devil had some neat ideas in how he developed the dp boxes & effects for his Liberty Maru/ ACM vessels, & thought the stockers might benefit from the same approach.

He had "near miss" boxes & ship sinker effects modelled into the dp file, & coupled with some combination of effects seemed to get some "realistic" results...
 
For your stock ships...

I would like to quote Cody Coyote's 2011 Mision Builder's Tutorial:

"I strongly encourage you to get Nanni’s ship add-on. An alternative to his fix is one provided by Pen32Win.
He has a set of replacement DP files for download at
www.sim-outhouse.com. These correct the “sailing north”
 problem as well as changing the way AI aircraft attack ships, pretty advanced stuff."

Of course this is for your stock ships.
 
Through the years I have sunk the stock carriers with 1 x1000lb bomb at times.I have done the same with some of the carriers by Usio. In real life the carriers were tougher than you might think.Look at Hornet at Santa Cruz,she was struck by the Japanese and than topedoed by USN forces at the end of the battle.The Japanese finally had to torpedo her the next day to sink her. Yorktown another example.Bomb hits at Coral Sea,quick repairs and sent to Midway.She was hit by torpedoes and bombs and still afloat.3 torpedoes from a sub finally did her in.

Even the Japanese carriers at Midway lasted for hours before they sank.It was the fires and faulty damage control that did them in.

One lesson the USN learned from Coral Sea was to put Co2 in the fuel lines to prevent fires.The Lexington was lost because they didn't do this at Coral Sea and she blew up later because the gas vapors went thru out the ship and exploded.

So IMO the dps are pretty good for the stock carriers. But what do I know?Nothing about ships that's for sure.


Talon
 
"So IMO the dps are pretty good for the stock carriers. But what do I know?Nothing about ships that's for sure."


LOL. I guess Collin should respond about how little he knos too! :salute:
 
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