Douglas A20 Havoc
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Motormouse
SOH-CM-2025
Hi Milton, its a skinpack for an IL-2 modpack
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Pete
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Pete
Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
IL2 repaint
Interesting under wing color...
Interesting under wing color...
wombat666
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Based on RAF 'Sky Type S', often mistakenly known as 'Duck Egg Blue'.
Quite a number of RAAF aircraft were originally received in RAF colours.
And to add to the present day confusion, many were painted in locally mixed 'approximations' according to my Father.
'Foliage Green' was often just 'Dark Green' using whatever paint stocks were on hand for example.
Same goes for underside greys and blues, real standardisation only came into effect during the latter years of the war.
Just checked......'Sky Type S'.
Quite a number of RAAF aircraft were originally received in RAF colours.
And to add to the present day confusion, many were painted in locally mixed 'approximations' according to my Father.
'Foliage Green' was often just 'Dark Green' using whatever paint stocks were on hand for example.
Same goes for underside greys and blues, real standardisation only came into effect during the latter years of the war.
Just checked......'Sky Type S'.
PhantomTweak
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In war-time, you "make do". The Corps is really good at that. We seem to be the Navy's unwanted red-haired step children, and prying money out of them is like trying to get it out of Scrooge.
So, we make do with what we can get from wherever we can get it. Always have, always will. If that means a little "creative borrowing", or "off-base appropriation", welll....
I'll wager the paints were just a small symptom of that sort of thing. I bet if you dig a little, you'll see a lot of that kind of thing going on
Have fun all!
Pat☺
Royal Air Force, 23 Sqn, experimental night cammo, 1941. This scheme was actually worn on a Boston 1, but we don't have one so it's on a Boston III.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lt2pkikztgvo658/ms_a20c_raf23sqn.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lt2pkikztgvo658/ms_a20c_raf23sqn.zip?dl=0
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A-20C, Soviet VVS, Red 1, Unknown unit, Lenningrad District, Febuary 1943. This aircraft was painted in this cammo whilst in for a refit, it also rec'd a 2nd hand Russian turret. which we don't have, but I liked the scheme.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vf9nn28uprjkm6y/ms_a20c_vvsr1.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vf9nn28uprjkm6y/ms_a20c_vvsr1.zip?dl=0
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These are great variants representing a part of the Allies forces we seldom see here. Thank you for giving them coverage. 
These are great variants representing a part of the Allies forces we seldom see here. Thank you for giving them coverage.
No worries mate, I enjoyed painting them. Here is the latest C model paint. Nr 25.
Soviet VVS, Red 15, Unknown Guards unit, Northern China, September 1945. https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1fcopgyjj57kxe/ms_a20c_vvsr15g.zip?dl=0
Steve
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Sorry I did not get to beta much, Huricane Harvey dumped a foot of water in my house and have been cleaning up, keep the load sheets I enjoy the custom armaments and such!
Nathan, wow, sorry to hear of your misfortune but happy to know you are safe.
We intend to keep the load sheet for FS9.
Here is my SAAF scheme.
South African Air Force, 3rd Air Wing, Libya 1943. https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1il3n29qf4e9ol/ms_a20c_saaf3aw.zip?dl=0
South African Air Force, 3rd Air Wing, Libya 1943. https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1il3n29qf4e9ol/ms_a20c_saaf3aw.zip?dl=0
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wombat666
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Looking through my bound copies of AIR INTERNATIONAL and found an article about the first RAF Bostons and the 'Turbinlite' derivatives.
The first DB7 airframes received were very early production and mostly ex French orders, mostly relegated to experimental and/or night fighting roles, the RAF holding off for their orders of the more developed aircraft to arrive.
Obviously there were reservation about stability and comparing the original 'pointy' fin and rudder with the broader main production version one can see why their operational career was minimal.
Some history......
Technical Sergeant Everts' A-20 Havoc #224, "Miss Laid", was first in the ETO to complete one-hundred missions. Never once during these one-hundred missions was the plane forced to return because of mechanical failure. The original engines that powered "Miss Laid" on the first mission on 3 March 1944 against an enemy held airdrome at Poix, France were still in use on the 100th mission, never having been changed.
Douglas A-20G Havoc Miss Laid after its 49th mission May 1944, Wethersfield UK
The 100th mission was an attack on the Duren marshalling yards on 6 October 1944. Old "Miss Laid" was repainted and renamed "La France Libre" and dedicated to represent the unity and good will between our country and the new French nation. Captain Monroe, and Staff Sergeants Kidd and Risko, who had flown 224 on its first mission, and most of the one-hundred missions, took part in the ceremony. Technical Sergeant Royal S. Everts, crew chief, who had cared for the plane through its 100 missions and was primarily responsible for its remarkable record, also participated. The ceremony was attended by French and American dignitaries. MMe Monique Rolland, the beautiful French actress, christianed "La France Libre". Brigadier General Strahm, Ninth Air Force Chief of Staff, dedicated the planes's future missions to the French Nation and People. General Martial Valin, Commanding General of the French Air Force, and Charles Tillon, French Minister of Air, accepted the dedication for the French people and spoke over a world hook-up, speaking of the ceremony as a "symbol of the fraternity of our two nations." General Duncan, General Backus, and Colonel Aylesworth also participated in the ceremony.
Douglas A-20G Havoc La France Libre on 4 November 1944 at Le Bourget, Paris, France.
It might have been one of the last flight of this aircraft for the 416th Bombardment group as:
Thirteen of the squadron's A-20 aircraft took off for England on November 4th, to turn them over to the United Kingdom. As they flew over the squadron saluted the many fine airplanes which had served so well in blasting the enemy. The pilots returned three days later with the new A-26 "Invaders" which were to be used in future missions.
Text taken from the Transcription from USAF Archives, the history of the 670th Bombardment Squadron, 416th Bombardment Group.
Cheers,
Huub
Technical Sergeant Everts' A-20 Havoc #224, "Miss Laid", was first in the ETO to complete one-hundred missions. Never once during these one-hundred missions was the plane forced to return because of mechanical failure. The original engines that powered "Miss Laid" on the first mission on 3 March 1944 against an enemy held airdrome at Poix, France were still in use on the 100th mission, never having been changed.
Douglas A-20G Havoc Miss Laid after its 49th mission May 1944, Wethersfield UK
The 100th mission was an attack on the Duren marshalling yards on 6 October 1944. Old "Miss Laid" was repainted and renamed "La France Libre" and dedicated to represent the unity and good will between our country and the new French nation. Captain Monroe, and Staff Sergeants Kidd and Risko, who had flown 224 on its first mission, and most of the one-hundred missions, took part in the ceremony. Technical Sergeant Royal S. Everts, crew chief, who had cared for the plane through its 100 missions and was primarily responsible for its remarkable record, also participated. The ceremony was attended by French and American dignitaries. MMe Monique Rolland, the beautiful French actress, christianed "La France Libre". Brigadier General Strahm, Ninth Air Force Chief of Staff, dedicated the planes's future missions to the French Nation and People. General Martial Valin, Commanding General of the French Air Force, and Charles Tillon, French Minister of Air, accepted the dedication for the French people and spoke over a world hook-up, speaking of the ceremony as a "symbol of the fraternity of our two nations." General Duncan, General Backus, and Colonel Aylesworth also participated in the ceremony.
Douglas A-20G Havoc La France Libre on 4 November 1944 at Le Bourget, Paris, France.
It might have been one of the last flight of this aircraft for the 416th Bombardment group as:
Thirteen of the squadron's A-20 aircraft took off for England on November 4th, to turn them over to the United Kingdom. As they flew over the squadron saluted the many fine airplanes which had served so well in blasting the enemy. The pilots returned three days later with the new A-26 "Invaders" which were to be used in future missions.
Text taken from the Transcription from USAF Archives, the history of the 670th Bombardment Squadron, 416th Bombardment Group.
Cheers,
Huub
