jamminjames
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Can't wait!!
Douglas A20 Havoc
- Thread starter Milton Shupe
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Mick
SOH-CM-2025
You did sir, but thanks for the re-post. There is another one in there I am thinking about: "Stygian Pigeon".
Yes! Another one that I would've liked to paint but found the artwork beyond my talents. I hope you do it!
wellis
SOH-CM-2025
This is the one I'm currently playing with. I did read a nice article about the medium green blotches, I will try to replicate wath I have learned from this article on this one.
Cheers,
Huub
PS I've been through al the archive from 3rd Attack group to find the names of the crew of this aircraft. On the FSX version of these textures you will be able to read them
Another beauty Huub!
wellis
SOH-CM-2025
Thanks for the vote of confidence..I'd pretty much made up my mind to do it as I, like you, really like that particular nose art.
Mick
SOH-CM-2025
That will add an interesting touch to another great paint job! I am really enjoying your skins!
Mick
SOH-CM-2025
RE: "I did read a nice article about the medium green blotches" ---Huub
I see those on several of your A-20 versions. I'm assuming that those are patches in the fabric covered area of the control surfaces and wings.
I really admire the group effort on this project (and the Marauder). So generous of you all lending your time and talent.
I see those on several of your A-20 versions. I'm assuming that those are patches in the fabric covered area of the control surfaces and wings.
I really admire the group effort on this project (and the Marauder). So generous of you all lending your time and talent.
Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
This is the one I'm currently playing with. I did read a nice article about the medium green blotches, I will try to replicate wath I have learned from this article on this one.
Cheers,
Huub
PS I've been through al the archive from 3rd Attack group to find the names of the crew of this aircraft. On the FSX version of these textures you will be able to read them
Looking forward to another great work.
Your nose art are master works blending with the fuselage paint creating a high level of realism..superb..!
Many thanks..
Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
texture question
I'm looking for what textures cover the yoke and adjacent column...
I'm looking for what textures cover the yoke and adjacent column...
Does this help?
EDIT: Well, maybe I am confused as you posted a request in the Marauder thread and I posted this for that. So are you working on both or do you want this for the A-20?
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Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
As the A20 has the VC yoke I was wondering how it was textured.
Not needed now as I found a pic of a yoke...or maybe close enough
Yes, you did sir, and the article was very informative and highly appreciated. However I'm still convinced that I have another article about nightfighters in Pacific in general, which contained some pictures and profiles. But so far I haven't been able to find this article.
Yes, I applied these blotches in most of my repaints, but without knowing the real background. The green blotches, or splotches as the are called in the article by Ian K. Baker, were clearly defined in a standard. How they should be applied, what size the should have and the fact that they should be irregular. The article also describes how this actually was done (which was of course different
).For instance these splotches were often not applied on the ailerons. And the pattern also changed over the years. Early patterns followed the edges of "surfaces which could be seen from above" and "the horizontal lines of the tail assembly". While later patterns covered larger areas of the wings (See below).
The late pattern was only seen on aircraft which kept their camouflage schemes as in the mean time the "bare metal" aircraft were introduced.
Cheers,
Huub
Early pattern
Late pattern
Mick
SOH-CM-2025
OK, now I can't help tossing this out here, though it might be futile...
There was another early camouflage scheme used briefly on a few early A-20s. It used two shades of olive drab, light OD and dark OD, with neutral gray undersides. The pattern was apparently something like the RAF 2-color schemes, but I can't tell for sure. The only photo I've seen that purports to illustrate it really doesn't illustrate it very well at all. It's a side view that doesn't show the wings, and the two OD shades don't contrast enough to really show how they go on the portion of the fuselage that's visible in the photo.
The scheme was short-lived, little used and not significant, but interesting in a modeling sort of way.
It's not the same as the green splotch scheme illustrated above, but hat drawing makes me wonder if the same source might have a drawing of the two OD's scheme.
There was another early camouflage scheme used briefly on a few early A-20s. It used two shades of olive drab, light OD and dark OD, with neutral gray undersides. The pattern was apparently something like the RAF 2-color schemes, but I can't tell for sure. The only photo I've seen that purports to illustrate it really doesn't illustrate it very well at all. It's a side view that doesn't show the wings, and the two OD shades don't contrast enough to really show how they go on the portion of the fuselage that's visible in the photo.
The scheme was short-lived, little used and not significant, but interesting in a modeling sort of way.
It's not the same as the green splotch scheme illustrated above, but hat drawing makes me wonder if the same source might have a drawing of the two OD's scheme.
the article does only cover the green splotches and describes them for most aircraft. But are you looking for something like this?
Its a pity there isn't a top view, but from this side the scheme looks very similar to the RAF schemes.
wombat666
Administrator
Without digging through my files I think this scheme was intended for RAF orders that were taken over by the USAAF during the early period of hostilities.
Most early aircraft orders were painted in the manufacturers interpretation of the RAF standards, which were close but not quite right.
Most early aircraft orders were painted in the manufacturers interpretation of the RAF standards, which were close but not quite right.
Mick
SOH-CM-2025
I'm familiar with the RAF scheme that so many A-20s were painted in, including ones that wound up in the U.S. Army, but that's not the one I meant.
The one I'm curious about came earlier and used two shades of olive drab, not green, and there was apparently much less contrast judging by the one rather poor quality photo I've seen. The pattern was probably similar to the RAF pattern, but it wouldn't have been the very same, as if copied from the RAF scheme, because the two-OD scheme apparently came first, when the Air Corps was experimenting with camo, and I believe before there were any French or British orders. At least that's the idea I have from perusing my references - most of which say nothing about this scheme.
Without a decent photo to show the pattern, and without a photo of the pattern on a plane with unit markings, and since the two shades were apparently rather similar, there doesn't seem to be much potential for a paint job here - and if there was one, it wouldn't look much different from the early OD skins we already have.
Upon reflection it doesn't seem worthwhile to bother about. I shouldn't have even mentioned it.
The one I'm curious about came earlier and used two shades of olive drab, not green, and there was apparently much less contrast judging by the one rather poor quality photo I've seen. The pattern was probably similar to the RAF pattern, but it wouldn't have been the very same, as if copied from the RAF scheme, because the two-OD scheme apparently came first, when the Air Corps was experimenting with camo, and I believe before there were any French or British orders. At least that's the idea I have from perusing my references - most of which say nothing about this scheme.
Without a decent photo to show the pattern, and without a photo of the pattern on a plane with unit markings, and since the two shades were apparently rather similar, there doesn't seem to be much potential for a paint job here - and if there was one, it wouldn't look much different from the early OD skins we already have.
Upon reflection it doesn't seem worthwhile to bother about. I shouldn't have even mentioned it.
Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
Raaf...?
Any interest in some RAAF action...?
Any interest in some RAAF action...?
Royal Navy, FAA Fleet Requirements Unit, 1943. And a hat.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2rf8uhzmb46qljk/ms_a20c_royalnavy.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2rf8uhzmb46qljk/ms_a20c_royalnavy.zip?dl=0
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