Douglas A20 Havoc

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Hey Hub, back in 2005, I repainted a B-52 in these markings and uploaded it to Flightsim.com! They painted one up as a commemoration of this old A-20! A buddy flew the -52, and also flew in flightsim. He sent a letter to that units commander and told him about it... he was thrilled!!!

They were quite happy to have it for those involved with the bomb wing to have on their pc's.. flying in the THEN very new and so cool FS2004!

That very year, we were living in Mississauga, not far from Pearson International airport, and for the airshow at the CNE, guess what pilot flew a B-52 up to do a display..?? :wavey:

So, not only did we get a tour of the beast sitting on the apron, BUT after their display on the Saturday, returning to the airport, they did a low flyover of our house, gear, flaps... everything hanging as they performed a 'modified' approach. He had the GPS coordinates of our house, which was just off the flightpath, and told me they were going to ask to do it on their way back, and from their display time... we knew when it would happen....

My kids were still little.. and they and the neighbourhood kids were all in our pool when the big beast roared overhead... VERY BIG...and VERY LOW!!!

My wife got some cool photos...

Thanks for reminding me of that VERY cool event!!!

Funny... I don't even HAVE a B-52 in my 'hangar' anymore!...

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Douglas A20 Havoc 2d panel

Hallo friends,
back from nice holydays in brittany, this is my first day work.
I reworked the last panel to find a compromiss between the beta VC
and the docs of the A20 cockpits
Here is a first step:
yours
Papi
 
Havoc - pre beta douglas a-20 release

Thanks Michael,
Hope your holiday refreshed body and mind. Looking forward to your developments and continue to enjoy lots of your other 2D panels.
Mal
 
A nice story Bushi, it must have been an impressive sight to see a B-52 from this close......

Cheers,
Huub
 
Here is another P-70A2 (this time with art work that belongs on it). Unfortunately the only information I have been able dig up are the two pictures previously posted by Mick and included here again and associated photo captions in the source. However, the captions only mention the air crew names and commander. The aircraft was part of the 6th NFS and the text suggests the photos were taken in New Guinea.

There are two versions of his particular nose art: one without a web and no additional lettering and a black cleaver blade, and one with a a web and a name that begins with "Black..." and a cleaver that I assume has a silver blade, or at least is not black. So I have two interpretations going here, hybrids, and depending on whether someone can help with figuring out what the second part of the name is I will probably go with the one without the web (though I like that one more). I have tried the limited range of tricks in CS6 that I know to try to bring that second part of the name out, but have been unable to discern it. The tail number is also unknown, so I will have to provide a fictional one (unless by some chance additional info turns up).

The airborne screen cap is from P3Dv4 but the paint will be provided for FS9 and FSX as well.
 

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"Black Widow"

It was "Black Widow" and as shown in the photo you posted, the plane had the web version of the art.

In the June 1986 issue of Wings there is a crisper print of the same photo and if you squint real hard you can see that the name is Black Widow.

The photo caption reads: "A subconscious prediction of things to come? The commanding officer of Detachment "A" , Capt. Robert McLeod, poses with his P-70 that he named "Black Widow." About a year later the Northrop P-61"Black Widow" made its combat debut in the Pacific, after a top secret development period. At the time this picture was taken, the existence of the P-61 was not known to members of the 6th."

That was Det. A of the 6th NFS, based in New Guinea. (Det. B was on Guadalcanal.)

I really wanted to paint "Black Widow" but the artwork is far beyond my ability.

I wonder what the "WF" stood for???
 
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Mick said:
It was "Black Widow" and as shown in the photo you posted, the plane had the web version of the art.

In the June 1986 issue of Wings there is a crisper print of the same photo and if you squint real hard you can see that the name is Black Widow.

The photo caption reads: "A subconscious prediction of things to come? The commanding officer of Detachment "A" , Capt. Robert McLeod, poses with his P-70 that he named "Black Widow." About a year later the Northrop P-61"Black Widow" made its combat debut in the Pacific, after a top secret development period. At the time this picture was taken, the existence of the P-61 was not known to members of the 6th."

That was Det. A of the 6th NFS, based in New Guinea. (Det.B was on Guadalcanal.)

I really wanted to paint "Black Widow" but the artwork is far beyond my ability.

I wonder what the "WF" stood for???
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Thank you very much Mick for the information. I will finish it up with that then. That is a really good question and I have no idea. It is way too early for today's acronym and it lacks a "T" anyways. Besides, they didn't use words like that back then, right? ;-)
 
wellis said:
... Besides, they didn't use words like that back then, right? ;-)
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Well, don't forget what the F stood for in SNAFU and FUBAR.

I recently read that "a__hole" came from WW2 slang. I would've thought it was older than that, but even if it originated during WW2, that's still like forever ago to folks our age.
 
Mick said:
Well, don't forget what the F stood for in SNAFU and FUBAR.

I recently read that "a__hole" came from WW2 slang. I would've thought it was older than that, but even if it originated during WW2, that's still like forever ago to folks our age.
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Indeed, you are correct sir. :biggrin-new:
 
Mick said:
It was "Black Widow" and as shown in the photo you posted, the plane had the web version of the art.

In the June 1986 issue of Wings there is a crisper print of the same photo and if you squint real hard you can see that the name is Black Widow.

The photo caption reads: "A subconscious prediction of things to come? The commanding officer of Detachment "A" , Capt. Robert McLeod, poses with his P-70 that he named "Black Widow." About a year later the Northrop P-61"Black Widow" made its combat debut in the Pacific, after a top secret development period. At the time this picture was taken, the existence of the P-61 was not known to members of the 6th."

That was Det. A of the 6th NFS, based in New Guinea. (Det. B was on Guadalcanal.)

I really wanted to paint "Black Widow" but the artwork is far beyond my ability.

I wonder what the "WF" stood for???
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That's great information! The available knowledge on this forum keeps surprising me! I was convinced I had a article somewhere about nightfighters in the Pacific, in one of my piles with old model magazines. So I decided to go through them one by one. I should have realised that I should not have done this. :banghead:

Once you start reading you're done :biggrin-new:. But I must admit I found some very interesting articles, but the only articles about nightfighters in thePacific I could find were about the P-61.

Cheers,
Huub
 
huub vink said:
That's great information! The available knowledge on this forum keeps surprising me! I was convinced I had a article somewhere about nightfighters in the Pacific, in one of my piles with old model magazines. So I decided to go through them one by one. I should have realised that I should not have done this. :banghead:

Once you start reading you're done :biggrin-new:. But I must admit I found some very interesting articles, but the only articles about nightfighters in thePacific I could find were about the P-61.

Cheers,
Huub
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I know what you mean. In researching the P-70 I pulled out several old magazines from my reference library. Three of the magazines were issues of the old Wings/Airpower magazine, twenty to thirty years old, and I re-read them all, cover to cover. I also re-read some of the other articles in the Air Enthusiast and Wings of Fame issues with P-70 articles. Not having read them since they were new, decades ago, it was almost like reading them for the first time.

Since i started compiling my aviation library back in the early 1970s, when I started building plastic models as an adult, I always maintained a good reference file, so I could identify my reference material. This past winter I culled that library, especially the periodicals, and tossed out about a third of it that had little or no reference value. So now I not only have the material and can determine what's included, I can actually Find things! Last year I could've determined what I had about the P-70, but I couldn't have laid hands on most of it without many hours of effort, if at all. But now I turned up all my P-7- references within about twenty minutes; I knew exactly where to look for everything, and I was able to get at it with minimal trouble.

It has always been common for me to go looking for reference material and pull out an old magazine for one article, then end up reading the whole issue.
 
huub vink said:
That's great information! The available knowledge on this forum keeps surprising me! I was convinced I had a article somewhere about nightfighters in the Pacific, in one of my piles with old model magazines. So I decided to go through them one by one. I should have realised that I should not have done this. :banghead:

Once you start reading you're done :biggrin-new:. But I must admit I found some very interesting articles, but the only articles about nightfighters in thePacific I could find were about the P-61.

Cheers,
Huub
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I thought I made that available to you and others.

http://www.sim-outhouse.net/downloads/SOHTeam/P-70_in_the_Pacific.zip
 
This is the one I'm currently playing with. I did read a nice article about the medium green blotches, I will try to replicate wath I have learned from this article on this one.

Cheers,
Huub

PS I've been through al the archive from 3rd Attack group to find the names of the crew of this aircraft. On the FSX version of these textures you will be able to read them :biggrin-new:

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