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Nonato

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So are you going to do any of the other raids old chap! An interesting choice of mission if I may say so. Wasn't it virtually unapposed by the Luftwaffe? As you can see the BC raid was only one of the eight raids on the city by the Allies.


Table of the air raids on Dresden by the Allies during World War II.

------------------------------------------No. of Aircraft

7 October 1944 Marshalling Yards 8th AF ....30
16 January 1945 Marshalling Yards 8th AF ...133
14 February 1945 City Area RAF BC ............772
14 February 1945 Marshalling Yards 8th AF ..316
15 February 1945 Marshalling Yards 8th AF ..211
2 March 1945 Marshalling Yards 8th AF .......406
17 April 1945 Marshalling Yards 8th AF ........572
17 April 1945 Industrial Area 8th AF ............8

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II)

Notice who paid the most visits to Dresden, not something you hear a great deal of when the matter is discussed in the UK.

I'm very curious why you chose this mission apart frim it's infamy. From a sim point of view what do you see are the challenges of the mission? I'm not having a go but I'm interested.

Beau
 
Choice

I think any mission can be debated that inflicted huge civilian casualties. The American fire bomb attacks in Japan were horrific as well as the Brit missions on Dresden and Hamburg. It is all so terrible.
 
...and that screenie is so OMINOUS!!! Possibly, instead of just plain perverse fascination, one -in recreating the mission could acknowledge and own the "man's inhumanity to ..." aspect and (hopefully) lessons learned... (by BOTH sides)
 
I would hope that all here acknowledge the suffering caused on all sides; not to forget the Russians, Poles, Japanese and all the other 50 million odd casualties. This can always be mentioned in any mission by the builder.

Further to this

I have put up some pics from a good BBC DVD called " Battlefields" 4 Episodes; El Alamein, Monte Cassino, BC, and Arnhem. If you have Netflix or the equivalent in the USA, UK or elswhere, I suggest you rent it for the BC episode alone.

It also confirms, what most know, about the goals of Harris and the BC being total destruction of German cities.

Meanwhile the pictures show what it was like at 15K + ft. The youtube pics are similar.

http://www.allensrule.com/Dresden1.jpg

http://www.allensrule.com/Dresden2.jpg

http://www.allensrule.com/Dresden3.jpg

http://www.allensrule.com/Dresden4.jpg


and the full lot at

http://www.allensrule.com/Dresden.zip
 
We've discussed this moral issue before so it wasn't my intention to start it off again, my main point was that as it was an attack on a relatively undefended target what's the buzz factor for the player apart from eye candy? Just curious, I don't want to spoil any surprises so I can wait until the mission is released.

Beau
 
Well since there is an implied moral issue I will jump right into the middle of it. When a nation goes to war there are no innocents. Civilians, perhaps not under arms still enable the war effort through money, war production labor, food production, or through labor/service to the military effort. Late in WWII both Germany and Japan decentralized their war production facilties and co-mingled the facilties with residential areas. Regrettable, but the fact is,when fought to win war is brutal.

As far as a buzz factor I think missions like Dresden historically depict the way it was and should remind us that CFS3 is a sim and not an arcade shoot-em-up game.
 
Led Zeppelin said:
Nonato, what's the altitude of the Lancasters on the screen shots?
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@Loic: About 10000 ft.

@Everybody: my intention in writing this mission was only to use the resources at hand in ETO to bring up the feelling those aviators (from both sides) experienced when they saw for the first time, out of nowhere, the flames of that beautiful city. The amazement and the wishes that all that horror finished soon.
Maybe I was the right person to write this mission since I´m neither german, nor american or british. Or maybe I´m the only person who had not the right to write it, I don´t know.
There are some gray zones in flight simmulation....as in everything else in life. Maybe this mission was a bad idea afyer all and I´d better put it aside.
 
Nonato!... Please upload. Makin' folks think and/or remember, IMHO, is largely what sets our sim community apart!

more power to YOU!:ernae:
 
The people who complain about the "infamy" of the bombing of Dresden were riding around in their old man's jock straps when all this happened.
I would just like to say this: The Germans started this war that eventually engulfed the whole world. They decided by rule of a madman to continue until Berlin had fallen.
It was a act of deparation before the Allies decided to bomb Hamburg and Dresden. Like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it made good sense at the time. You had to be there and walk in our shoes. We brought the end of a horrible war, the most expedicious method possible.
The word infamy can be more correctly used about the sneaky, cowardly, bombing of Pearl Harbor. " A day that will live in infamy".
 
Thanx, Helldiver! Its always a pleasure and an honor to see and hear from you!:wavey:

...and again Nonato: Beautiful screenies:trophy::trophy::trophy:... Proving that our community developed sim RULES!:medals:
 
Helldiver said:
The people who complain about the "infamy" of the bombing of Dresden
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Now who's complaining on this thread?? I was interested in Nonato's choice of mission and wondered about why, as it would not have been one I whould have thought of as the sheer size of the raid would have daunted me. Nonato is known for his unique perspective on ETO missions and has made some very interesting choices in the past. I wondered why he chose this one rather than the US bombing campaign on Dresden for instance.

Nonato please do make this mission and publish it as I and others are keen to fly it.

Regards from a fan,

Beau
 
@Sir Beau:
Thank you for the support.
The reason why I have chosen a BC mission instead of an 8th mission was quite simple: for the amazing groundhog effects to develop properly I needed the mission to take place during night time.

Some time ago I saw on TV a two part movie called "Dresden" which depicted the facts from the german point-of-view IIRC. Those scenes impressed me very much and I only tried to rebuild them accordingly.
 
I am interested to know why many recent night missions are made with ac at alts of 10k ft or less. The standard operating height for most BC missions was 15K +. It would be interesting to see the effcts at the correct higher altitudes (15-20K ft.)

In the case of Dresden 796 Lancs and 9 mossies were dispatched in 2 separate raids. The 1st attack by 5th Group did use their own system of low level marking methods and in this raid with 244 lancs there was low level cloud. 3 Hours later the rest arrived; the weather was clear and 8th Group provided standard marking.


As Beau suggest the 8th raided Dresden more often and on the 14th Mustang fighter escorts were ordered to strafe the roads!
 
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