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F-22 Progress Images

JamesChams said:
Mr. Steve J. "Roadburner440,"

I assume you at least have these ones (Pic.'s below)? And, this http://www.geocities.com/jiyangc/cockpit.htm pic.'s & info., too?

And please take note of the following statements in the above mentioned website:
It is the first baseline Night Vision Goggle (NVG) compatible cockpit.
[SIZE=+1]It has designed-in growth capability for helmet-mounted systems.[/SIZE]

and, this hint about the VC&C, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor#Upgrades

"The leading features of the F-22 cockpit include simple and rapid start-up, highly developed HMI, (Voice user interfaces, which accept input and provide output by generating voice prompts. The user input is made by pressing keys or buttons, or responding verbally to the interface). Direct Voice Input (DVI) is a style of Human-Machine Interaction "HMI" in which the user makes voice commands to issue instructions to the machine."

But, I found another confirmation for the VC&C as a requirement for the A.T.F. (i.e. F-22) on an unclassified document here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11607526/F22-Raptor-Americas-Next-Lethal-War-Machine (on the bottom of Page 3)
This document, as a whole, contains a lot of NECESSARY Cockpit avionics and systems pic.'s and technical info.; it would be worth the read, IHMO.

And I found another quote (Dated on Dec '2007), at the bottom of this article: (http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/315296/32/ARTCL/none/none/1/The-F-35-Joint-Strike-Fighter-to-be-controlled-via-voice-commands/)
"The F-35 Lightning II is scheduled for initial operation in 2008. If the speech-recognition system proves successful on the F-35, it is likely to be applied to other aircraft, such as the F-22 Raptor and unmanned aerial vehicles."
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The systems are not in place as of yet.

Fox is a standard code to signal a missile launch, the F-22 will not use a VC&C system or the JHMCS for years to come. It has also been said that any voice control commands would be for default systems only; such as switching the MFD's, etc., Lockheed has no plans at all to incorporate missile launching through voice commands, mainly because it is both delayed and needs confirmation to do any task.
 
VFR Alexander said:
The systems are not in place as of yet.

Fox is a standard code to signal a missile launch, the F-22 will not use a VC&C system or the JHMCS for years to come. It has also been said that any voice control commands would be for default systems only; such as switching the MFD's, etc., Lockheed has no plans at all to incorporate missile launching through voice commands, mainly because it is both delayed and needs confirmation to do any task.
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Thanks for confirming those VFR, much as I stated earlier, however I don't really know what I'm talking about, so having someone else make the same observations is reinforcing, lol. I would also kinda make the observation that we can read any number of articles, watch videos and get inside information from various sources, but unless it comes from an operational unit Officer or one of the engineers on the project, it's simply hearsay. Thanks VFR.
 
VFR Alexander said:
The systems are not in place as of yet.

Fox is a standard code to signal a missile launch, the F-22 will not use a VC&C system or the JHMCS for years to come. It has also been said that any voice control commands would be for default systems only; such as switching the MFD's, etc., Lockheed has no plans at all to incorporate missile launching through voice commands, mainly because it is both delayed and needs confirmation to do any task.
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I don't want to seem disagreeable by what I've stated... I used public/civilian sources so as NOT to violate any CLASSIFIED restrictions. I also happen to know that some of the features in that software v3.0 which didn't get their upgrade to v3.1 and was pushed back to v3.5 has been cancaled due to budget issues by congress. So, many, if not all of the service sqd.'s won't/don't have these. BUT, Night Vision googles are on ALMOST every one; or so I've been told and a limited version of VC&C exists on ALL. If someone told you its not there, then we know what blanket that falls under - the "CLASSIFIED" one. So, I won't say yeah/nay or debate it with you. Also, "FOX" is NOT a verbal cue by fighter pilots; its FOX1 or FOX2 to distinguish between heat-seeking or passive-homing missiles. FOX was used in that video for the purpose, I mentioned; but you don't have to take my word for it.

But, build the aircraft as best as you know, I will be happy to fly it... :jump::gameon:
However, I will add that if its like the YF-23 ( with default Acceleration gauges, etc.) I WON'T!:gameoff:
 
Everyone can rest assured that the F-22 will not be like the YF-23. This is why we are going through great lengths to research this project appropriately. We intend on this to be a very highly detailed model.
 
JamesChams said:
I don't want to seem disagreeable by what I've stated... I used public/civilian sources so as NOT to violate any CLASSIFIED restrictions. I also happen to know that some of the features in that software v3.0 which didn't get their upgrade to v3.1 and was pushed back to v3.5 has been cancaled due to budget issues by congress. So, many, if not all of the service sqd.'s won't/don't have these. BUT, Night Vision googles are on ALMOST every one; or so I've been told and a limited version of VC&C exists on ALL. If someone told you its not there, then we know what blanket that falls under - the "CLASSIFIED" one. So, I won't say yeah/nay or debate it with you. Also, "FOX" is NOT a verbal cue by fighter pilots; its FOX1 or FOX2 to distinguish between heat-seeking or passive-homing missiles. FOX was used in that video for the purpose, I mentioned; but you don't have to take my word for it.

But, build the aircraft as best as you know, I will be happy to fly it... :jump::gameon:
However, I will add that if its like the YF-23 ( with default Acceleration gauges, etc.) I WON'T!:gameoff:
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Fox + # is what is said after a missile launch to inform others of the type of missile, and that a launch occured.
There is no VC&C on the F-22 fleet, for many reasons:
1. It just isn't there.
2. There are no switches in the cockpit relating to voice control
3. It doesn't help all that much.
4. Cost.

And also, I never denied they have NVG's. They do, and apparently they're pretty heavy.
 
Roadburner440 said:
... We intend on this to be a very highly detailed model.
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Thank you, Mr. Steve J. "Roadburner440"!
I, too, was hoping you'd say and do that; after all, it is still (currently) the best fighter in the world and your model, IMHO, should be as well.:engel016:

L:jump::jump:king forward to it! :wavey:
 
VFR Alexander said:
Fox + # is what is said after a missile launch to inform others of the type of missile, and that a launch occured.
There is no VC&C on the F-22 fleet, for many reasons:
1. It just isn't there.
2. There are no switches in the cockpit relating to voice control
3. It doesn't help all that much.
4. Cost.

And also, I never denied they have NVG's. They do, and apparently they're pretty heavy.
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Gotta love it, thanks VFR.
In fact NVG's are not anything new, our pilots were doing night vis operational training for a year before we went to Balad in 06' and have used them on subsequent deployments ever since. I can't imagine, with his extensive knowledge, that he really meant it was a new piece of equipment.;)
 
I wish there was a way to realisticly do NVG's or FLIR's in MSFS. Having a FLIR system installed in an aircraft like what we have on our H-60 would be pretty cool. I do not understand the talk of NVG's being heavy though? Granted my only aviation experience has been with helicopters. Ours just look like tiny binoculars that clip onto the front of their helmet and powered by 4 AA batteries. I am sure the Air Force probably has a lot better stuff than we do in the Navy, but I can see just fine out of ours so don't see where there would be any kind of improvement from a larger/bulkier unit.
 
There are different units in use, but generation 3 NVG is standard gear. Even a PVS-14 would be enough for most cockpit situations, even though it isn't a true set of goggles. I know when I was in the USAF, we used the PVS-14 quite a bit, mind you I was not flying aircraft.

The biggest problems I see are the people still using the PVS-7 and other binoculars that while worn on both eyes, direct the image through a signle lense. Pilots lose their sense of depth perception because of that. We even had an A-10 pilot crater into the ground a few miles behind my house in Alaska because he got disoriented when flying in the dark. At the time, they used the PVS-7 NVG suite.
 
Gents,

I though that I would shed a little more "light" (Night Vision Light :p:) on the NVG found here (bottom of the page): http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/1998/articles/jan_98/jan4a_98.html

"NVGs have not been neglected in new aircraft design. The F-22 is the first aircraft to include NVG-compatible cockpit and exterior lighting in its baseline design. The Joint Strike Fighter will be similarly equipped."

and this one: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-cockpit.htm

(Top of Page)

"It is the first baseline "night vision goggle" compatible cockpit, and it has designed-in growth capability for helmet-mounted systems."

(bottom of page in section titles Lighting)
"The cockpit interior lighting is fully Night Vision Goggle (NVG) compatible, as is the exterior lighting..."

And, I found a video that confirms it: http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070410-007.wmv


The LCD are also designed to be used with NVG; but I couldn't find a documented source that verifies which version of NVG they are using. But, I can ask and see if someone will tell? :kilroy:
 
lol, that one looks familiar! I have about 100 shots of this bird up close

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Heard from the daughter of the VP at Lockheed in Marrietta that the F-35 program will be moved there. No more F-22's (sad) but what the heck, I hear the JSF are loud!
 
MenendezDiego said:
lol, that one looks familiar! I have about 100 shots of this bird up close

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Heard from the daughter of the VP at Lockheed in Marrietta that the F-35 program will be moved there. No more F-22's (sad) but what the heck, I hear the JSF are loud!
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Excellent shot! lol!

And if that news is true, you have just made me the happiest guy in Atlanta. I am down here in Roswell and have heard some especially thunderous traffic lately. Traffic departing from runway 11 at Dobbins comes pretty close to my apartment.
 
Why debating on NVG capability on Raptors? Wouldn't be plain ridiculous for the claimed to be Fighter not having it? Every Nato aircraft must have it as a standard to operate in war zones and it's beginning to become a standard on every operating aircraft.

And probably that "Fox" only is said because the missile is just an inert version with no guidance system of any kind.

BTW, very nice work there Milviz, you keep on impressing us! Good luck with hunting infos, I'm in the same situation myself, I know how it's frustrating!
 
lol well I did hear it from the VP's daughter, who went and asked for me lol. She came back, 'yep, he said they are moving production to Marrietta, something about the assembly parts being similar, that it'd be more economical'

So I'm guessing you've seen the primered F-22A's right? The green ones? lol
 
Yeah, all NVG compatible means is that it doesn't radiate light in the frequency range the goggles use to see. NVG basically operate at the upper limits of the visual light band and into the low IR area, hence warm things show up slightly better under NVG. There's also a 'notch' at a certain frequency that lets through the HUD display as green light isn't normally visible.
As long as the cockpit lighting is in the range the goggles don't see you won't get blooming, you actually have the instrument lights reasonably bright on goggles as you have to switch from looking though the goggles to see outside to looking under them to see the instruments. For flying goggles are focused at infinity so you can see outside the cockpit, if you look inside everything is blurred.
The main advantage with having two tubes is that if one goes u/s you can still see! You don't actually get that much perception of depth with NVGs due to various factors including the monochrome picture, lack of shadows etc. The eyes aren't actually far enough apart to give you good depth perception more than a few feet away anyway, most of it comes from life experience giving you cues. I.e. you know how big trees are, until it turns out they're saplings and the hill is much closer than you thought, which has caused incidents in the past.
It's like I did an NVG course or something...
 
Sixghost said:
Why debating on NVG capability on Raptors? Wouldn't be plain ridiculous for the claimed to be Fighter not having it? Every Nato aircraft must have it as a standard to operate in war zones and it's beginning to become a standard on every operating aircraft.

And probably that "Fox" only is said because the missile is just an inert version with no guidance system of any kind.

BTW, very nice work there Milviz, you keep on impressing us! Good luck with hunting infos, I'm in the same situation myself, I know how it's frustrating!
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The raptors do have NVG's, just not the others systems mentioned. It would be a bit silly for it not to have them.
 
MenendezDiego said:
lol well I did hear it from the VP's daughter, who went and asked for me lol. She came back, 'yep, he said they are moving production to Marrietta, something about the assembly parts being similar, that it'd be more economical'

So I'm guessing you've seen the primered F-22A's right? The green ones? lol
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No, I have only seen one Raptor coming out of Dobbins (Not counting the ones during the airshow) and it was at about 5,000 ft by the time it got to me. I have gone spotting from Cobb Parkway several times, but have only caught C-130s. Do you know of a good time to go see some action?
 
The only question I have, at the moment, about all this is...

"Whose the ugly guy with the camera?"

:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
 
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