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F-4B and C Freeware model WIP shots

Thanks for the previews. I'll have to remember to use images in the cockpit as place holders for modeling when I start making planes. It also looks like you've modeled the compression ramp to be animated for the inlet. That's good to see, because I don't recall anyone ever modeling it. Nice work.
 
Sundog said:
It also looks like you've modeled the compression ramp to be animated for the inlet. That's good to see, because I don't recall anyone ever modeling it. Nice work.
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The ramp is indeed animated, although I have found little info on its scheduling, so I have to improvise a bit.
What's certain is that it typically first extends at M1.5, and that still changes depending on outside conditions.

If someone has more info on that, we're all ears! :d
 
Oh Crikey , I'm extremely exciting about this one .. the pure Grey Ghost of the US Navy Wollzer! :salute:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 
SIR :applause: With the flamboyant paints of the 60 and 70s , this is going to be a RIPPER :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 
skyhawka4m said:
PLEASE !!!! Do a bake for the textures. :salute:
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For sure. Since you have the source it should be easy. You can paint an aircraft completely white with a baked layer and it will look good. Without them, it's just white. They really add a dimension of "life" to the final finish. Ok, back to the paint booth.

Progress shots like awesome by the way. You have a winner here.
:ernae:
 
SiR_RiPPER said:
I can't wait to see and preview this one here: http://www.aviation-art.net/Gallery Updates 10 02/Sundowners F4.jpg
Or, in a cuter version: http://blackheartart.com/Sundowner201wordsweb.jpg
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:icon_lol: I think Blackheart's model looks more realistic ... just something about that modelling :icon_lol:
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Ian Warren said:
SIR :applause: With the flamboyant paints of the 60 and 70s , this is going to be a RIPPER :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
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Like this one being tested?
View attachment 94186
We're almost done with AO maps as far as the exterior goes. They really help the detail pop out of the model! There is yet some work to do.
Spins dropped some decals on the aircraft to check for stretching and I took it for a flight as I thought it looked cool in those.
I've posted another update on the dev blog (here), showing some nice details now that we have AO.
 
Hi,
This is really a good looking paint scheme and your model looks great!
Good luck for all the work to come and thank you for sharing!
Regards,
Sylvain
 
I have a question related to one of the shots in the blog. This is something that I asked about years ago and never really got an answer to it. One of the WIP shots is of the fwd cockpit looking straight ahead. It gives the illusion that we are only a few feet above the rwy, which if you've ever sat in the cockpit of an F-4, you know that's not the case. This isn't the only fighter that I've owned that gives that appearance of you almost sitting on the tarmac. Why is that and why isn't it possible to have the view appear higher (more correct)? Thanks!:salute:
 
dhasdell said:
When you say you hope to do them all, does that include the RN and RAF versions? I hope so.
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All versions are up for consideration. Once the F-4B and RF-4B are out of the way, the rest are just modifications. We will follow McDonell's lineage, as this is the easiest way.

falcon409 said:
I have a question related to one of the shots in the blog. This is something that I asked about years ago and never really got an answer to it. One of the WIP shots is of the fwd cockpit looking straight ahead. It gives the illusion that we are only a few feet above the rwy, which if you've ever sat in the cockpit of an F-4, you know that's not the case. This isn't the only fighter that I've owned that gives that appearance of you almost sitting on the tarmac. Why is that and why isn't it possible to have the view appear higher (more correct)? Thanks!:salute:
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That seems to be an inherent problem of FSX. The VC is rendered on its own, the outside world on its own as well. Then the little bubble (VC) is moved into the big bubble (scenery) and the result is a wrong sense of scale. Think of it like sitting in one of those 360 degree Simpits. The image to the side and front is OK. When you look down you will notice the image stretching. That's almost the same as with FSX.

The only way to properly replicate it is to move the VC model higher than in reality, and it'll feel right in that regard. Cloud9's F-4 has that "issue". The height feels OK, but when parked next to another F-4, you can notice you're sitting much higher than you should.
 
falcon409 said:
I have a question related to one of the shots in the blog. This is something that I asked about years ago and never really got an answer to it. One of the WIP shots is of the fwd cockpit looking straight ahead. It gives the illusion that we are only a few feet above the rwy, which if you've ever sat in the cockpit of an F-4, you know that's not the case. This isn't the only fighter that I've owned that gives that appearance of you almost sitting on the tarmac. Why is that and why isn't it possible to have the view appear higher (more correct)? Thanks!:salute:
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I'm not sure if Alex has finalized the eyepoint yet, but the height and downward angle are likely factors. Outside references seem to be a factor as well. When I sit on a carrier, I get a sense that I'm sitting much higher.
I'm sure it'll be adjusted, especially now that there are crew models that can be used for reference.

Jamal
 
Very different flight characteristics between the USN and AF models, the navy using additional high lift devices to bring the approach sipped down about 20 knots.

regards. T
 
Not really. E.g. the NAVY F-4B and the Air Force F-4C have identical flight controls/flap systems.
An approximate 7kts approach speed reduction can be observed with the introduction of the drooped ailerons.
 
bstolle said:
Not really. E.g. the NAVY F-4B and the Air Force F-4C have identical flight controls/flap systems.
An approximate 7kts approach speed reduction can be observed with the introduction of the drooped ailerons.
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Indeed, after AFC218, the inboard flap was locked up, the ailerons were drooped and the stabilators (elevators) were modded. That decreased approach speed to ~138KCAS from ~145KCAS @38000lbs.

fliger747 said:
Very different flight characteristics between the USN and AF models, the navy using additional high lift devices to bring the approach sipped down about 20 knots.

regards. T
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Both the naval and USAF variants benefitted from the later addition of leading edge slats, which helped increase low speed manoueverability while keeping the approach speed in the mid to high 130s range.
 
The British Phantoms, apart from some bought secondhand for the RAF, had different engines, and the RN ones had an extended nosewheel leg for catapulting from Ark Royal. It would be a bit more than a simple mod, I think.
 
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