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Air File

Belay the last pipe. It appears that all air files are installer files; my mistake.
The aircraft is beautiful but it handles very poorly. Shame.
 
youngharry said:
Belay the last pipe. It appears that all air files are installer files; my mistake.
The aircraft is beautiful but it handles very poorly. Shame.
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an 'air' file is not an installer or exe. To replace one with another simply rename the old to something like from 'plane.air' to 'plane.old' and copy the new file to the same folder as the original...;)
 
Air File

Jafo said:
an 'air' file is not an installer or exe. To replace one with another simply rename the old to something like from 'plane.air' to 'plane.old' and copy the new file to the same folder as the original...;)
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Tried that and nothing seemed to change. The aircraft I am using is Doug Smith's Fairey Firefly and the present Air file is not good.
I replaced it with the Air file from A. Scrub's Firefly ( his Plane flies really well ) but nothing changed.
 
Air File Change

If you change the air file and the (new) name is not the same (as the old) name (dah...it CAN'T be the same) then for the New air file to 'take' you must change the air file NAME in cfg (ie: sim=xxxx.air). You also have to reload your default flight (C-172 ? I hope) and then re-load your airplane for the change to 'take'. Also, usually the New air file will have it's own aircraft.cfg and are paired up ON PURPOSE so that 'things' match. IOW you shouldn't use the Old cfg with the New air file. Might not work. Or at least your airplane won't fly the same as it would if you use the NEW cfg with the NEW air file. Just one of those things. Not everything is inter-changeable.
Chuck B
 
Air File

napamule said:
If you change the air file and the (new) name is not the same (as the old) name (dah...it CAN'T be the same) then for the New air file to 'take' you must change the air file NAME in cfg (ie: sim=xxxx.air). You also have to reload your default flight (C-172 ? I hope) and then re-load your airplane for the change to 'take'. Also, usually the New air file will have it's own aircraft.cfg and are paired up ON PURPOSE so that 'things' match. IOW you shouldn't use the Old cfg with the New air file. Might not work. Or at least your airplane won't fly the same as it would if you use the NEW cfg with the NEW air file. Just one of those things. Not everything is inter-changeable.
Chuck B
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Thanks mate, all information is welcomed.
I have already changed the sim name in the config but I noticed in all other aircraft configs that there does not seem to be .air added to the sim=xxx.
However, I have tried both and the flight characteristics still do not match those of the donor aircraft. You are right about the need for a purpose built config. Doug Smith did post a new air file and a corresponding config but they do not seem to change flight characteristics either.
I shall keep pushing buttons and changing things and something might happen. Will keep the forum posted. Remember, though, slight tapping is always permissible.
 
youngharry said:
Tried that and nothing seemed to change. The aircraft I am using is Doug Smith's Fairey Firefly and the present Air file is not good.
I replaced it with the Air file from A. Scrub's Firefly ( his Plane flies really well ) but nothing changed.
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OK...to elaborate...

You have an air file you don't like...say "plane.air".
Rename it to "plane.old".
You have an air file you want to use instead...say "plane2.air".
Copy "plane2.air" to the aircraft folder where "plane.old" is.
Rename "plane2.air" to "plane.air" [no quotes obviously]
Reload the aircraft and it will now use this new "plane.air".
There will therefore be no reason or need to alter its reference in "aircraft.cfg".
Obviously results will vary as the "aircraft.cfg" details were always specific to the original "air" file included with the aircraft. Tweaks to "aircraft.cfg" will likely be necessary to get more satisfactory FDE...;)
 
Re-Name is Not Always Wise

Why? Because 'plane.air' might have been turbo prop (type 5) and 'plane2.air' might be jet (type 1). You need certain sections in the air file for a turbo prop and certain sections for jet engines. Turbo prop has a prop. Jet engines do not. That is just for starters.
Chuck B
 
napamule said:
Why? Because 'plane.air' might have been turbo prop (type 5) and 'plane2.air' might be jet (type 1). You need certain sections in the air file for a turbo prop and certain sections for jet engines. Turbo prop has a prop. Jet engines do not. That is just for starters.
Chuck B
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One assumes the slightest amount of logic....that you aren't trying to replace the air file from an a380 with one from a Sopwith Camel.
Assuming the having of half a brain one would be trying to replace like with like....something closer to SE5 with Camel rather than bicycle with Kenworth...;)
 
We Don't Need No Stinking LOGIC

Logic? What? There is no logic in flight simulator. It's all SCIENCE and FACTS. No mombo-jumbo. The problem is that simmers will be switching air files without 'classifying' them first (ie: as far as engine, weight, etc. is concerned). I suspect some even try switching aircraft config file without LOOKING at what is involved or doing any edits. You have a bad flying ac so you switch air files. Done. (WRONG!).
Chuck B
Edit: Next thing you know you will be telling me that all of the DEFAULT air files HAVE to be 'perfect' and can be used with other aircraft. Wrong again. The default air files are not even 'perfect' for the default aircraft themselfs. You kidding me!!
 
napamule said:
Logic? What? There is no logic in flight simulator. It's all SCIENCE and FACTS. No mombo-jumbo. The problem is that simmers will be switching air files without 'classifying' them first (ie: as far as engine, weight, etc. is concerned). I suspect some even try switching aircraft config file without LOOKING at what is involved or doing any edits. You have a bad flying ac so you switch air files. Done. (WRONG!).
Chuck B
Edit: Next thing you know you will be telling me that all of the DEFAULT air files HAVE to be 'perfect' and can be used with other aircraft. Wrong again. The default air files are not even 'perfect' for the default aircraft themselfs. You kidding me!!
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Glad you know what I'll be telling you next...because I certainly don't.
I doubt you'd listen anyway as you clearly have not so far.
I simply told someone HOW to swap an air file by renaming it. I neither alluded to nor cared one iota whether what he wanted to use was better...worse...or anything in between.

I'm talking simple FILE MANAGEMENT and that an 'air' file is NOT an 'executable'.
All else is your tangent, not mine...;)
 
Air File

Thanks Jafo, your information was spot on and I do not know what that other bloke is getting upset about.
Your method worked and I am pleased with the operation of my Fairey Firefly.
I owe you a beer but I think we will keep it to ourselves.
 
youngharry said:
Thanks Jafo, your information was spot on and I do not know what that other bloke is getting upset about.
Your method worked and I am pleased with the operation of my Fairey Firefly.
I owe you a beer but I think we will keep it to ourselves.
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Glad to help...;)
 
You mean 'logic' can be '0' or '1'. Right? Of course. But the way he used it is like you can have it BOTH ways. You can have a turbo prop cfg and air and interchange the cfg or air from a jet engined airplane (with no effect to flight dynamics). I don't think so. That is all I was saying. Changing the NAME only does not alter/edit the contents of any file. THAT is what I was pointing out. Now where were we? Oh yes. His info was 'spot on'. Really? Cheesh.
Chuck B
 
He had no interest in changing the contents of a file. He wanted to know how to swap one with another.





I can only assume English is not your first language.

Edit....and my reference to 'logic' was as in 'common sense' - clearly an oxymoron just like 'military intelligence'.
It certainly is not common at all....;p
 
This forum used to be a site where flightsim enthusiasts could ask for help on a particular problem they might be experiencing. That no longer seems to be the case; some of us have 'attitudes'.
Thanks again Jafo.
 
Chill your grill napamule, the guys aren't doing anything wrong.

Now swapping airfile alone won't change much, aircraft.cfg also contains a lot of pertinent flight data that effects operation.

The problem begins when you swap... some aircraft have different radios, doors, systems, even amongst two identical real world types... different developers may have included different things. Also their zero point for the model may be different which will effect contact points on the ground. It all varies.

Can you swap engine data and geometry data between two files in notepad to add one developer's engine / prop / wing data to yours? yes, but simply switching files isn't a complete process.

Napamule; you were rude and didn't read their posts, nobody said swap an a380 for a cessna 172, switching between two fireflies is logical... and sorry, but logic does exist in a flight sim... computer logic... on or off, and, or... all logical statements in computer code ;)
 
Most of these links don't work anymore! Is there a complete package to fix all the issues in fsx?
I'd love to fly this one in fsx.

Cees
 
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