First pictures of the PMDG DC-6 for MSFS!

There's a real-world group restoring the last (?) L-1649 to flying condition by rebuilding it from the ground up. They're also including glass. Count me as a fan, since this is what's realistically needed in order to fly in the modern world. It also fits with my love of anything that looks vintage on the outside but is thoroughly modern inside, like the heretical practice of putting a fuel injected crate engine under the hood of a '65 'Vette. You get the beauty of the old with the reliability of the new!
 
Tom Clayton said:
There's a real-world group restoring the last (?) L-1649 to flying condition by rebuilding it from the ground up. They're also including glass. Count me as a fan, since this is what's realistically needed in order to fly in the modern world. It also fits with my love of anything that looks vintage on the outside but is thoroughly modern inside, like the heretical practice of putting a fuel injected crate engine under the hood of a '65 'Vette. You get the beauty of the old with the reliability of the new!
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So, you mean something like this :

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Personally, I'd rather turn into a real life garden gnome in charge of the dungheap then to step inside the cockpit of my beloved Spitfire and be confronted with this...

Leave vintage cockpits with steam gauges. They belong together. If you want to fly a glass cockpit choose one of the plastic bathtubs with wings. They also belong together. And plenty to find in MSFS.

Sorry Tom, comments about vintage aircraft in combination with modern instruments will send shivers down my spine (check out Manfred's C-47 in FSX/P3D to know what that could lead to..).

And particularly since your comment is here in a topic about the PMDG DC-6 which features one of the finest and most beautiful steam-gauge cockpits ever. You don't want them to go mess about with that, i'm sure.

Still, all IMHO of course.

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To me, that Spit is about as close to bliss as you can get - the perfect blend of new and old! As for the Starliner, I found the video of the work they're doing. Even the clip is that same mix. It's done in the style of a '50's promo film, but highlights the modern resto work. The flight deck looks to be set up like a modern airliner. There's a glimpse of it around the 3:10 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXDWhYz9UU

I realize my desire for the old/new blending may be considered heresy, but I also believe that it could bring in an entirely new customer base. Get the people that are used to flying the hair dryers with their modern systems to set foot (virtually) in some old heavy iron, and maybe they'll get interested in learning how it was done before "glass" was invented.
 
warchild said:
welll, I dont think you gotta worry about glass cockpit shenanigans.. The X-Pland 10 version
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I like that! I mean modern radio is fine and makes sense, I can also live with a GPS stashed somewhere (I´d like to be able to click it away though) for practical reasons. Steam gauges are so much clearer to read, you see everything you need in one glance and don´t have to decipher tons of information stuffed into one screen. I know that is traditionalistic and most likely not the public opinion, but that´s how I´m wired. I even regret that my car doesn´t use a throttle cable anymore (while in my job I love finding solutions for the cars of tomorrow). To each his own, it´d be perfect if both variants would be offered with addons, as it sometimes is the case, but as soon as deep system modeling is considered the amount of work this would require is of course insane.
 
Tom Clayton said:
As for the Starliner, I found the video of the work they're doing. Even the clip is that same mix. It's done in the style of a '50's promo film, but highlights the modern resto work. The flight deck looks to be set up like a modern airliner. There's a glimpse of it around the 3:10 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXDWhYz9UU
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Unfortunately, Lufthansa had to pull the plug on the Starliner project a couple years ago and it now sits in storage in Germany. Some of the people who had been working on the project were found to have been ripping Lufthansa off, purposely drawing the work out to get paid more. At the time the project was canceled, Lufthansa had already paid $163 million towards it, which of course is an absolutely insane amount for the work that was done.
 
Well... That certainly blows bubbles! I hope they can restart the project sooner than later. It would be fantastic to see her in the skies.
 
Hermes, Patron Saint of Vintage Aircraft (a.o) put a stop to this ill-fated and unlawful undertaking.

He would not and could not allow the internal of a Lockheed Constellation, the most beautiful propliner ever build, being disgraced by the insertion of a godless glass cockpit. Not only would it have been total madness, it would have been pure sacrilege.
 
Tom Clayton said:
I realize my desire for the old/new blending may be considered heresy, but I also believe that it could bring in an entirely new customer base. Get the people that are used to flying the hair dryers with their modern systems to set foot (virtually) in some old heavy iron, and maybe they'll get interested in learning how it was done before "glass" was invented.
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Exactly !

But here you want to replace the "how it was done" method (i.e. steam gauges) with a glass cockpit ?.. How will they learn ??.... ( they'll probabely take up their phones and Google 'steam gauges'... )

Not only once i have been totally surprised by comments here and on Avsim by flightsimmers, and certainly not the youngest, who were asking about how to use VOR and ADF stations. For years they only had been using GPS. A total mystery to me. Back in FS5 i started with using real (but outdated) Jeppesen en-route and terminal charts, binders full of 'em. Still have them but a few years later the release of a superb freeware nav program (can't remember its name... FSNav ??...) made it all redundand. Easy does it but the use of real Jeppesen charts was a LOT more fun. ( as was 'flying the needles', luckily we can still do that)
 
Jan-

We are to blame for a generation that does not revere history and hard work, rather always demands to be spoon fed and catered to. I'm with you. Let the glass PFD/ND do what it is intended to, and the Sperry and Gyrosun do what it was supposed to- and LET NEVER THE TWAIN MEET! Heck, I refuse to put a GPS in mine. SIDS and STARS are perfectly flyable with raw data reference (for now, until the FAA in its infinite wisdom starts decimating the VOR population).

We are also to blame for the fact that most of this generation cannot spell sacrilegious.

C

PS- don't forget Little NavMap (with Sectional overlay). That too does a bang up job, but even there I use Skyvector more as it forces me to "find" my position rather than rely on a pretty aeroplane symbol.
 
Javis said:
So, you mean something like this :

spitglas.jpg


Personally, I'd rather turn into a real life garden gnome in charge of the dungheap then to step inside the cockpit of my beloved Spitfire and be confronted with this...

Leave vintage cockpits with steam gauges. They belong together. If you want to fly a glass cockpit choose one of the plastic bathtubs with wings. They also belong together. And plenty to find in MSFS.

Sorry Tom, comments about vintage aircraft in combination with modern instruments will send shivers down my spine (check out Manfred's C-47 in FSX/P3D to know what that could lead to..).

And particularly since your comment is here in a topic about the PMDG DC-6 which features one of the finest and most beautiful steam-gauge cockpits ever. You don't want them to go mess about with that, i'm sure.

Still, all IMHO of course.

mNrc7gL

mNrc7gL
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Trouble is, a proportion of aviation rule makers prompted by litiginious lawyers have decided old aircraft should be banned from flying unless they have certain bits of kit installed, retrofitting the garmin glass cockpit stuff enables them to fit these bits of kit , and have necessary cockpit displays, wher there wouldn't otherwise be room.

I don't like it either.

Ttfn

Pete ( licensed aeroplane engineer)
 
The thing is, if modern avionics and GPS are provided as an option in the cockpits of vintage aircraft in MSFS (which I would personally love), can we please (pretty please?) have it done to actually match at least one real-world subject? Instead of having an avionics/GPS option that is completely fictional (only existing in a video game world), it would be so much nicer to have an actual real-world depiction. The old Realair Spitfire package was great in this regard. Many real-world classic aircraft and warbird cockpit modifications are done in a way that they don't really take anything away from the authenticity of the cockpit, other than, in the case of warbirds, perhaps removing the gunsight (often considered a safety hazard anyway). This is especially the case with owners who desire keeping the cockpits as authentic as possible while still being FAA-compliant and allowing for ease of operation in the modern ATC environment.

BTW, of the nearly 70 Spitfires currently flying today, the vast majority, if you were looking at them from this same perspective as below, will appear completely stock, with many of them having gunsights too, with the modern and extremely basic avionics usually hidden down at floor level.

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​Think it is time we got back to what the original idea of this thread is. It is about the PMDG DC-6. Wandering way off topic with things that have nothing to do with the DC-6 but a lot of speculation.
 
AussieMan said:
​Think it is time we got back to what the original idea of this thread is. It is about the PMDG DC-6. Wandering way off topic with things that have nothing to do with the DC-6 but a lot of speculation.
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There's simply nothing to talk about a possible MSFS PMDG DC-6 without speculation. That's all we have atm, isn't it..

The DC-6 is a vintage propliner and features the perfect example of what a vintage propliner's cockpit entails. IMHO it is much more interesting to discuss a vintage cockpit in relation to modern instruments than to speculate about the price the DC-6 is going to cost us... What could be a better subject than the DC-6 to know about people's stance towards the vintage/modern instruments 'dilemma' ...

Oh, and Tom started it, not me.. ;)

P.S. and the fact that i went for a Spitfire- instead of a DC-6 cockpit as an example is because i don't want PMDG to get any ideas.. ;-)
 
In my honest opinion, this is all because of the C.C.C., the Coffee Cup Crowd. I don't trust them and never will, LOL.
 
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