For real : Alphasim c-17 is out

fsafranek said:
Speaking only for myelf I would have to say it is because my background is in quality assurance and being involved with the development side of a project I can try to influence that quality. And because I have too many titles still in the catalog to just walk away from it all. So it is about the money a little. But mostly because I like being really close to ground zero of a creative endeavor. Not sure it that makes any sense? Pretty much what you said I think.
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Hi Frank

You have always made perfect sense to me and you know I admire your detirmination to get things as good as possible.

Keep up the good work.
 
A model without a VC is a no go for me these days. Sad as I work on the real bird.

And they got the NATO Heavy Airlift Wing scheme wrong. SAC01 and SAC02 are currently at the Wing here at Pápa AB in Hungary and pictures are easily available.
 
$58 bucks US........and no VC?!:isadizzy: Putting it someplace where the sun don't shine......priceless!!:icon_lol: Sorry, just can't take anymore of these INSANE freaking prices!
 
Ok. Pet peeve of mine. If you're going to take screenshots of your product PLEASE make sure you have AA turned on. Those jaggies make me less interested in the product.

Other than that the exterior model looks decent. Except the engine nacelles which look poorly modeled because you can actually see the vertices (ie the engines aren't smoothly modeled or round)

And then you have the fact that there is no VC at the moment. If they promise it will come within a year, I might go for it. But if its going to turn into one of those "it should be here in a few months......"

No thanks....the DA Fokker was to have a VC and I don't see one yet.

And finally 60 bucks. I can buy the F1 Mustang (already have it) for 55 bucks USD and it comes with a VC and incredible G1000 simulation. Or the PMDG J41 for even less....

30$ would be better for this thing unless they can absolutely deliver on the VC within the short time specified.

AND EDIT: How is this off topic? I'm right on the topic, "Alphasim c-17 is out"
 
ryanbatc said:
AND EDIT: How is this off topic? I'm right on the topic, "Alphasim c-17 is out"
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I believe he was talking about all of the alphasim and/or ex-alphasim developers commenting on my post. (and perhaps my post and the post that I responded to)

Lets drag er back on topic now.
 
Any producer who would launch a product this way would get moaned at. I fail to see why anyone is surprised at the reaction.
 
ryanbatc said:
AND EDIT: How is this off topic? I'm right on the topic, "Alphasim c-17 is out"
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Because it turned into YAABT* soon after the OP posted the thread. Has anyone bought this yet? Is it a good model? How are the flight dynamics? Does it come with decent sounds?
Granted, the price is steep considering it doesn't have a vc yet...but that's up to the developer to set and it's our choice to pay up for it...or not. The original fsx'd CS 727 seemed to sell well enough without a vc.



*Yet Another Alphasim Bashing Thread


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Please don't construe that I'm bashing AS. They are free to charge whatever price they feel is warranted. I, as a consumer, am allowed to voice my opinion (such as I would if it were any other product manufacturer) and choose whether to buy or not to buy.

If, as you predict, add-on aircraft reach $150 or more per add-on then I cannot see much of a future for that particular aspect of the hobby. IMO that is just too much to justify spending on a casual pastime. Others may feel differently with regard to their disposable income but I fear they are a small minority.
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I agree with this completely! :) I completely understand the complexity and expectations of today's addons has skyrocketed. Just so its clear, I'm not 'bashing' AlphaSim either; I dont know why anyone would do that. They're free to do business as they like. They're not the power company; we're not forced to buy their product at the price they set.

However, I find it very unsettling<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cadv-ws%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026"/> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1"/> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> to see the ever increasing price of FSX addons, and hope it will subside as the economic (fingers crossed) conditions begin to improve. We wouldnt be having this conversation if the price wasnt unsettling to others, too.

There is a threshold that the average 'flightsim hobbiest' is willing to pay for an addon (with a few individuals being the exception, as always) and I think we may be approaching that threshold. And thats a very bad thing for this hobby - at least payware.

So the real concern should be - what, if anything, can developers do differently to adapt to this bloating time commitment, retain quality, and keep costs reasonable for the consumer? Not an easy one...
 
i find it hard to grasp that you pay as much for 1 addon, in this case, not completed, as we would pay for the entire FSX program. :icon_lol:
 
ryanbatc said:
And then you have the fact that there is no VC at the moment. If they promise it will come within a year, I might go for it. But if its going to turn into one of those "it should be here in a few months......"

No thanks....the DA Fokker was to have a VC and I don't see one yet.
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We have no reason to doubt that the VC will arrive soon. My understanding is that it's not too far from being finished.

It begs the question as to why any developer would work on the VC for that long only to give up? Exactly they wouldn't. Imagine the stick they'd get then - no dev would want to go through it!

Personally I think the modelling is first rate. If the engine nacelles were more rounded and smooth (which to be honest you don't notice unless you zoom right in) it would affect FPS on such a large type, minimising the number of polys used and using modelling techniques that show off detail yet reduce draw calls is the name of the game.
 
UKMIL said:
i find it hard to grasp that you pay as much for 1 addon, in this case, not completed, as we would pay for the entire FSX program. :icon_lol:
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Oh here we go again :icon_lol: - how many times will this arguement reappear!

FSX sells tens of thousands (at least).

FS addon aircraft - you're lucky if you sell a thousand over a few years.

There's simply no comparison.
 
centuryseries said:
Oh here we go again :icon_lol: - how many times will this arguement reappear!

FSX sells tens of thousands (at least).

FS addon aircraft - you're lucky if you sell a thousand over a few years.

There's simply no comparison.
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Besides that, there are plenty addons that merit such high price tags. The PMDG MD-11 is one that immediately comes to mind.
 
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