Hi Jens, the Nato SAC isn't release yet, so i can correct it for the 1.1 release, the pictures you are speaking weren't available when i do that scheme, it was like a semi-fictionnal one....
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For real : Alphasim c-17 is out
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Hi Jens, the Nato SAC isn't release yet, so i can correct it for the 1.1 release, the pictures you are speaking weren't available when i do that scheme, it was like a semi-fictionnal one....
Flight Sim and Train Sims are the only games I know of where charging more for the add-ons than you did for the game is considered acceptable. I was looking at Railworks!, a train simulator, and every add-on was released by the original developer, and each cost ~$50. If you look at other popular games, (Arma II, Team Fortress, Half-life/Counter-Strike) you'd see a very active add-on/modding community where nearly everything is distributed for free.Oh here we go again- how many times will this arguement reappear!
FSX sells tens of thousands (at least).
FS addon aircraft - you're lucky if you sell a thousand over a few years.
There's simply no comparison.
centuryseries
SOH-CM-2023
Thats what makes flight sim unique.
Most of the mods I've seen for FPS games whether they're maps or objects have generally been worse than the original developers creations in some way, whereas with flight sim most of the addons we buy are better/more complicated than the original producers creations.
Take airfields as a good example. People that produce airfields for FS immediately improve on the originals, whereas a game like Half Life 2 or Crysis have building detail/Landscape mastered right out of the box.
forgeknight
Banned
This thread will go the same way the warbird p51 thread did. Consumers vs. Producers. Here is my thought as a consumer, if you put something out that I dont like, I wont buy it. And I have the right to say why and then express my reasons.
If you as a Producer have your feelings hurt, then you can A. Ignore my opinion B. correct the issue in the future C. Quit. But there are other producers out there who will step in to fill the void you leave, so pout about the amount of time you work, and how hard it is if you wish, but best start looking around, your not the only ones who work hard hours for little pay and it takes a bit of work if you wish to convince me, the consumer, that your product is worth my hard earned cash over your competitions.
If you as a Producer have your feelings hurt, then you can A. Ignore my opinion B. correct the issue in the future C. Quit. But there are other producers out there who will step in to fill the void you leave, so pout about the amount of time you work, and how hard it is if you wish, but best start looking around, your not the only ones who work hard hours for little pay and it takes a bit of work if you wish to convince me, the consumer, that your product is worth my hard earned cash over your competitions.
Ian Warren
Charter Member
Not an issue , everyone has been hounding Alpha for a release , no hesitation here !
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Well a long plus years release and its still not finished
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At $81NZ , quite steep for this model so far , so it will be interesting to see what the VC has to offer ! , the update of course will be free
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At $81NZ , quite steep for this model so far , so it will be interesting to see what the VC has to offer ! , the update of course will be free
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N2056
Charter Member
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gajit
Guest
LOL 
ryanbatc
Charter Member
We don't know, it's too costly at the current pricepoint without a VC.
oops edit: apparently ian bought it
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Slug Flyer
Guest
Too costly with a VC.
Jetmechanic
Charter Member
True that. $60 dollars is to much for me. I will be waiting for area51sim C-17. I know there C-5 is looking awesome.
Bjoern
worst developer ever
I hope you're kidding.
The quality range of mods for FSX is just as wide as the one for every other shooter/game out there. And in terms of complexity, mods like Forgotten Hope for Battlefield 1942 and that LotR total conversion for Rome:Total War are at least on par with stuff like PMDG's MD-11.
The reason we've got payware is mainly that we've got a target audience willing to pay for it in the first place. Aviation enthusiasts may be 10-100 years old, but the highest percentage is at least well into their 30s with a job and a credit card, while the modding community for other games has its focus mostly on my age group. An age group that's mostly busy studying and thus having no money to spend on virtual stuff (or they're not willing to).
A (weak) second reason for selling payware may be getting the money back in for reading materials and trips to museums for research. I still wonder though why this has to be justified with monetary compensation if making FSX add-ons is widely considered a labor of love and passion - just like every other hobby out there.
Anyways, I better stop now.
Major_Spittle
Charter Member
This is spot on and while I wish developers could get rich for their hard work these $60 add-ons for a $50 game are killing me. So many great products out there I would like to get but can't, thus developers lose out on getting my $$$ altogether. My "cheap" hobby now is more expensive than me getting back into RC flight if I get more than 3-4 of these $60 add-ons a year.
It sometimes seem like those who don't pirate the work are just the wipping posts for these companies. I find it hard to believe that if prices were lowered from $60 to $15 that companies wouldn't sell 4 times as many birds.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Remember folks...
The easiest & least controversial option is to wait until the V/C version is released & then make your assessment
The easiest & least controversial option is to wait until the V/C version is released & then make your assessment
Congratulations Alphasim. Marketing genius.
Most addons probably sell the most copies in the first few weeks after release. All those people desperate for something new to fly (reminds me, I still need to figure out how to fly my C130) rush to buy the latest and greatest and then rush to publish their opinions on the forums. By releasing a half finished version now and the final version in 1-2 months (timeframe according to alphasim) they effectively get to release their product twice and thus double the amount of free publicity they get. Pure genius.
Most addons probably sell the most copies in the first few weeks after release. All those people desperate for something new to fly (reminds me, I still need to figure out how to fly my C130) rush to buy the latest and greatest and then rush to publish their opinions on the forums. By releasing a half finished version now and the final version in 1-2 months (timeframe according to alphasim) they effectively get to release their product twice and thus double the amount of free publicity they get. Pure genius
.peter12213
FSX Acceleration!
Is number 4 engine looking ok though from the alpha shots its looked different to the others!
Guys,
I want to apologise if my original post started the trend that's continued for four pages. I wasn't bashing AS, or critisising their cost etc. In fact, I stated they'd done a good looking job and I was looking forward to seeing the completed model before I parted with my hard earned cash.
I've bought a number of Alphasim planes in the past, however I was merely pointing out that it was a bit pricey for my piggy bank at the moment.
I wasn't belittling their efforts and I look forward to seeing what happens over the next few months.
I want to apologise if my original post started the trend that's continued for four pages. I wasn't bashing AS, or critisising their cost etc. In fact, I stated they'd done a good looking job and I was looking forward to seeing the completed model before I parted with my hard earned cash.
I've bought a number of Alphasim planes in the past, however I was merely pointing out that it was a bit pricey for my piggy bank at the moment.
I wasn't belittling their efforts and I look forward to seeing what happens over the next few months.
Ian Warren
Charter Member
Smudge , no complaints from me , i figured she was pricey and looking forward to the completed model , i just had to compare the external model and its preformance in an airshow setting , i guess we are going to see some amazing screens in the future .. one type off plane doing things lessors would do .
, i figured she was pricey and looking forward to the completed model , i just had to compare the external model and its preformance in an airshow setting , i guess we are going to see some amazing screens in the future .. one type off plane doing things lessors would do .
Ian Warren
Charter Member
New powered up pc , had to check this thing in FS9 , best of both is what they do at Alphasim , their models everything the same as the X model
I guess its a little quirky .. but this thing has more power that a Garlic Steak ! and not a Garlic Sausage , jezzz its slippery
Maybe i,m simply just waisting fuel
Time to Hanger this till me avionic.s guys give me some real controls
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I guess its a little quirky .. but this thing has more power that a Garlic Steak ! and not a Garlic Sausage , jezzz its slippery
Maybe i,m simply just waisting fuel
Time to Hanger this till me avionic.s guys give me some real controls
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NZ & World Aviation & Naval History Buff , maybe a little scenery , maybe a little fly , <!--coloro:#FF0000--><!--/coloro-->burn me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--> <!--coloro:#FFA500--><!--/coloro-->tail feathers<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->