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FS2004 AI traffic
- Thread starter Hageneezz
- Start date
Sbob
SOH-CM-2025
Depending on what you're looking for (airliners, military, GA, etc.) your best bet (IMO) is to download Traffic Tools and build your own. 
For modern military traffic, there are some nice traffic files in the Carriers2006 scenery package that usually don't work because they rely on some Alphasim AI aircraft that are no longer available. As it turns out, this isn't a big deal. You just need to use Traffic Tools to de-compile the traffic BGLs then edit the generated AIRCRAFT text file to use the AI you want, then just re-compile the new BGL file.
Traffic really isn't that complicated, we just make it that way.
You may also want to check out Military AI Works (MAIW) if you're looking for self-installing scenery and traffic. MAIW can be a little daunting, they made a LOT of traffic and scenery mods and its easy to get lost. Its better to use The Owl's Nest https://www.owlsnest.eu/maiw.php to find the MAIW files you want.
Just some quick "IMO" stuff I've picked up-
- Its better to run 100 small traffic BGLs than to run one massive BGL, unless you're running FS2002.
- Traffic is VERY dependent on which sim you're running. Don't try to load FS2002 or FSX traffic into FS9 (and vice versa) unless you want to spend a week or two trying to fix the issues.
- Give us a better idea of what you're looking for. Right now, its like I posted "I want a car" with no other info.
For modern military traffic, there are some nice traffic files in the Carriers2006 scenery package that usually don't work because they rely on some Alphasim AI aircraft that are no longer available. As it turns out, this isn't a big deal. You just need to use Traffic Tools to de-compile the traffic BGLs then edit the generated AIRCRAFT text file to use the AI you want, then just re-compile the new BGL file.
Traffic really isn't that complicated, we just make it that way.
You may also want to check out Military AI Works (MAIW) if you're looking for self-installing scenery and traffic. MAIW can be a little daunting, they made a LOT of traffic and scenery mods and its easy to get lost. Its better to use The Owl's Nest https://www.owlsnest.eu/maiw.php to find the MAIW files you want.
Just some quick "IMO" stuff I've picked up-
- Its better to run 100 small traffic BGLs than to run one massive BGL, unless you're running FS2002.
- Traffic is VERY dependent on which sim you're running. Don't try to load FS2002 or FSX traffic into FS9 (and vice versa) unless you want to spend a week or two trying to fix the issues.
- Give us a better idea of what you're looking for. Right now, its like I posted "I want a car" with no other info.
Hageneezz
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Thanks. I am looking for something that covers the whole world, with the most up to date schedules. So a mix of GA, Airlines, and military AI. Perhaps I am asking too much for a legacy sim, and should invest time in making my own AI. But I still would like some links to AI schedules, models, etc...Depending on what you're looking for (airliners, military, GA, etc.) your best bet (IMO) is to download Traffic Tools and build your own.
For modern military traffic, there are some nice traffic files in the Carriers2006 scenery package that usually don't work because they rely on some Alphasim AI aircraft that are no longer available. As it turns out, this isn't a big deal. You just need to use Traffic Tools to de-compile the traffic BGLs then edit the generated AIRCRAFT text file to use the AI you want, then just re-compile the new BGL file.
Traffic really isn't that complicated, we just make it that way.
You may also want to check out Military AI Works (MAIW) if you're looking for self-installing scenery and traffic. MAIW can be a little daunting, they made a LOT of traffic and scenery mods and its easy to get lost. Its better to use The Owl's Nest https://www.owlsnest.eu/maiw.php to find the MAIW files you want.
Just some quick "IMO" stuff I've picked up-
- Its better to run 100 small traffic BGLs than to run one massive BGL, unless you're running FS2002.
- Traffic is VERY dependent on which sim you're running. Don't try to load FS2002 or FSX traffic into FS9 (and vice versa) unless you want to spend a week or two trying to fix the issues.
- Give us a better idea of what you're looking for. Right now, its like I posted "I want a car" with no other info.
Mick
SOH-CM-2025
Check out Cal Classics: http://www.calclassic.com/index.html for civilian AI and Military AI works https://militaryaiworks.com/ for military AI.
They have wonderful AI packages for commercial and military AI and a huge collection of airports (Cal Classics) and air bases (MIAW) for the AI to fly to and from. Cal Classics also has MATS packages for military cargo ops.
Cal Classics packages mostly cover the classic eras - fifties propliners, sixties jetliners, and such. MIAW focuses on more modern times.
Between those two sites you can spend many hours perusing, downloading and installing airports, air bases and AI planes, to the point where you have no time to fly. Or eat or sleep if you really get hooked.
Have fun!
They have wonderful AI packages for commercial and military AI and a huge collection of airports (Cal Classics) and air bases (MIAW) for the AI to fly to and from. Cal Classics also has MATS packages for military cargo ops.
Cal Classics packages mostly cover the classic eras - fifties propliners, sixties jetliners, and such. MIAW focuses on more modern times.
Between those two sites you can spend many hours perusing, downloading and installing airports, air bases and AI planes, to the point where you have no time to fly. Or eat or sleep if you really get hooked.
Have fun!
leuen
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First of all, you have to be aware that FS9 is no longer the benchmark, and therefore no effort is anyomore being made to update it to the current state.
There are still many flight plans available. However, most of them need to be supplemented with the needed aircraft. And this is where another problem lies: these are often no longer available or can only be found with great effort. It's best to limit to older eras, as Mick recommends. This could be CalClassic or from the beginning of the century with WOAI or other ready-made packages.
Creating flight plans yourself is certainly another solution. But even for that, you need the right aircraft. Whether AI or steerable doesn't matter.
And creating flight plans is immensely time-consuming. I know what I'm talking about. Creating them based on real timetables is an absolute Herculean task. Most of the time, the rotations don't match.
There used to be AIG Alpha India Group, which was mostly up-to-date. From what I could see, they also switched entierly to MSFS. That's just the unfortunate fact...
Bernard
There are still many flight plans available. However, most of them need to be supplemented with the needed aircraft. And this is where another problem lies: these are often no longer available or can only be found with great effort. It's best to limit to older eras, as Mick recommends. This could be CalClassic or from the beginning of the century with WOAI or other ready-made packages.
Creating flight plans yourself is certainly another solution. But even for that, you need the right aircraft. Whether AI or steerable doesn't matter.
And creating flight plans is immensely time-consuming. I know what I'm talking about. Creating them based on real timetables is an absolute Herculean task. Most of the time, the rotations don't match.
There used to be AIG Alpha India Group, which was mostly up-to-date. From what I could see, they also switched entierly to MSFS. That's just the unfortunate fact...
Bernard
Sbob
SOH-CM-2025
Mick and leuen are correct. 
Also, keep in mind AI traffic can NEVER be perfect. AI can ONLY fly airport-to-airport and will scatter like a flock of birds if you get too close to them.
I like to think of AI traffic like I'm adding ground pepper to my soup. A little is good, too much just doesn't work. If you notice FS crashing out to your desktop, its usually a sign of having conflicting AI traffic or else there's just too much going on.
Also, keep in mind AI traffic can NEVER be perfect. AI can ONLY fly airport-to-airport and will scatter like a flock of birds if you get too close to them.
I like to think of AI traffic like I'm adding ground pepper to my soup. A little is good, too much just doesn't work. If you notice FS crashing out to your desktop, its usually a sign of having conflicting AI traffic or else there's just too much going on.
leuen
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But it's a lot of fun too! Both are running as AI. By far, no other sims than FS9 would allow such experiments so easiely.
Or all 365 repaints of Garry J. Smith's Ford Tri-Motor at Mojave Airport
The more AI traffic is installed, the longer the system will need to start up. With a performing equipment it's still quite acceptable. CTD's occur just in case of incompabilities of wrong files. I'm running more than 3'000 planes as AI without any crashs.
Bernard
Or all 365 repaints of Garry J. Smith's Ford Tri-Motor at Mojave Airport
The more AI traffic is installed, the longer the system will need to start up. With a performing equipment it's still quite acceptable. CTD's occur just in case of incompabilities of wrong files. I'm running more than 3'000 planes as AI without any crashs.
Bernard
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wolfebee89
SOH-CM-2024
there is also this: Aerosoft MyTraffic 2006 by B. Renk for FS2004, freeware and available at this link: https://secure.simmarket.com/aerosoft-online-mytraffic-2013.phtml (scroll down; link found under the additional downloads section) reading the manual is a must!
Hageneezz
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Thanks!there is also this: Aerosoft MyTraffic 2006 by B. Renk for FS2004, freeware and available at this link: https://secure.simmarket.com/aerosoft-online-mytraffic-2013.phtml (scroll down; link found under the additional downloads section) reading the manual is a must!
Golden Rocket
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Really? Are you sure wolfebee89? I guess you haven't installed it. Otherwise you would certainly agree, that My2006 models are absolutely awful. If you want to see pictures here, let me know.
Bernard
Bernard
wolfebee89
SOH-CM-2024
had it installed on a test rig before it went belly up, and while I do not necessarily dispute your remarks, Bernard, you'd have to remember that Aerosoft/Renk were catering to a whole gamut of systems (presumably for a wider market share) from back in the day - 2005/6 era and prior and of course knowing that optimized low poly / low res models also contribute to reduced system overhead -> translation: even a dated system from that time would be able to handle said MyTraffic AI package, while ensuring an overall smooth sim experience. And indeed systems/technologies/processing powers have dramatically improved since that time, for what is taken for granted today, even on laptops with integrated graphics, was not necessarily economically feasible, perhaps not even available for most, on a home budget desktop PC!
Anywho, I concur about your prior/Mick's remarks about Calclassic AI, really worth it, if flying in the silver age, and indeed @Hageneezz the package I referred to is a rather dated/aged one, but while lacking in aesthetic/visual acuity, it does the job it is supposed to...
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wolfebee89
SOH-CM-2024
If flying in the Golden Age time frame, i.e. a golden wings install, as many do here, I can also recommend MoCat's efforts, available here at SOH -The Old Hangar archive, and which has plenty of AI traffic, when used in combination with all of MoCat's sceneries and all releases by Lynn & Bill Lyons - really brings the Golden age to life
Golden Rocket
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I agree with you, wolfebee89. Lynn and Bill Lyons did a great work. Unfortunately AI traffic included in in their GW package is essentially based on default airports. Furthermore you will find the same aircraft in all other parts of world. Not very accurate as we know from aeronautical history!
That's why eine one year I'm running my own site related to FS9 in past times and particular the part which was treated in Tom Constantine's "Old Hangar Forum". As we know, this isn't active anymore sine several years.
As there are wasn't a similar space with some minimal audience, I create "Retroavia Forum - FS9 in the pasts", which remains the only forum worldwide dedicated to Vintage FS9. That's unfortunately a fact, not a performance.
As you said, many could still use Lynn and Bill Lyons vintage world , as well as the contributions of many other merited and good known creators. It certainly would be desirable to see these users more active.
BUT, all this still doesn't help member Hageneezz to find an actual and updated traffic, as he specified in his initial post.
Bernard
That's why eine one year I'm running my own site related to FS9 in past times and particular the part which was treated in Tom Constantine's "Old Hangar Forum". As we know, this isn't active anymore sine several years.
As there are wasn't a similar space with some minimal audience, I create "Retroavia Forum - FS9 in the pasts", which remains the only forum worldwide dedicated to Vintage FS9. That's unfortunately a fact, not a performance.
As you said, many could still use Lynn and Bill Lyons vintage world , as well as the contributions of many other merited and good known creators. It certainly would be desirable to see these users more active.
BUT, all this still doesn't help member Hageneezz to find an actual and updated traffic, as he specified in his initial post.
Bernard