FS2004 Screenshots Here!!!

AndyG43 said:
It was weird, every photograph seemed different because of lighting/weather conditions. Personally I thought it was funny watching people get so het up over it. :biggrin-new:
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Colours (or colors) have always been a good subject for lively discussions! Like many from us, my background in aviation started with the plastic models from Frog and Airfix. Mainly the single engine fighters as I couldn't afford much more. Humbrol was the only model paint available, so their green 66 matched the German RLM standard, the British BS381 standard and the American ANA standard without any problem.
Looking back, the problem must have started when Humbrol started their "authentic" ranges and their "authentic" olive drab looked different than Tamiya's version of the same colour.

People who base the "authenticy" of a colour on photographs must be young or have a short memory. As old people (like us) still know that Fuij-film makes blue-ish pictures, AGFA film makes orange-ish pictures and Kodak often looks yellow/brown-ish (and what about Ilford?). But today you have to explain that there was actually already an analogue camera, before the mobile phone was invented.

I love to do research on colours and in most cases I like the discussions, but personally I don't see any reason to try to convince somebody, who doesn't want to be convinced.....

Cheers,
Huub
 
huub vink said:
...... and what about Ilford? .....

Cheers,
Huub
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It is in Essex, it doesn't count! ;)

Ah, the 'good' old days of Humbrol paints. The downhill slide to the dread authenticity started, for me at least, between the covers of Airfix Magazine where the authors would provide you with their take based on mixes of Humbrol. Then, as you say, Humbrol went "Authentic" in no small part because of Tamiya, then we had Compucolor, some people swearing by acrylics ..... :banghead:

The Scalemates website lists over 100 different brands - some long gone, some current - with manufacturers having separate ranges for aircraft, vehicle, railway and nautical modelling. Not one of whom has ever attempted this particular shade, so we're still at the Airfix Magazine "mix it up" stage. Personally these days I mainly use the Xtracolor range (the spiritual successor to Compucolor) although I did pick up a few Humbrol basics on a recent visit to the Hornby Visitors Centre.
 
Aside from the actual authenticity of colors, don't forget the dreaded phenomenon of scale effect. I tried to work around it for decades of plastic modeling and now I see it in digital modeling. In short, a small paint chip looks much darker to the eye than the exact same color on a full sized airplane. And a 1/72 scale model is much closer in size to a paint chip than to a real aircraft. For example, if you see a real plane in American olive drab it looks, well, like olive drab. But if you look at a little paint chip it looks almost black. Likewise, if you see an airplane in US Navy dark sea blue it looks dark blue, but a paint chip of that color looks virtually black. If you paint a 1/72 scale model in authentic olive drab or dark sea blue it will look much too dark to the eye, very close to that little authentic paint chip but not at all like the real plane. Scale effect doesn't seem to be as strong on a digital model on a computer screen but it's there and can give you fits trying to replicate a color, especially a dark color.
 
You are absolutely right Mick! And even in my repaints I add some layers to get the saturation a bit lower and to tone down the colours a bit.

(I hope this is understandable English...)

Cheers,
Huub
 
And one of the prototypes from the prime fighter of "the other side"!

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Cheers,
Huub
 
To avoid discussions

In the last week I have done a lot of reading about the colour(s) of the Spitfire prototype. I came to the conclusion that perhaps nobody knows, and even if one knows, the rest won't listen......

So to avoid discussion I decided put several colours in the package, so everybody can pick his or her's favourite.

The light blue, which was my original thought. Often mentioned and sky blue was a BS381 standard pre-war colour.

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Grey blue, my personal favourite. French grey is often described as grey paint with some blue added. So that is more or less what this colour is based on.

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A sort of sky-ish. Sky or close to sky, was also mentioned often and close to the Federal Standard colour FS35414. And that is what this colour is based on.

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French grey, most colours which pop-up when you Google on "French-grey" look a bit brownish. I like this shade of brown-ish grey best.

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As repainting older AH models is always a sort of struggle, I will ask a friend to have a look at them before I upload them.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Which one is your favourite?

During the process of repainting I really started to love the AH Spitfire.

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It makes the A2A one look a bit cartoonish in my personal opinion.

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BTW the Cosford Spitfire repaint is not finished yet.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Very nice huub. I’ve really enjoyed you enjoying and showing off your spits, wonderful painting sir.

the a2a and ah, are they both Mk1s?
 
i only have the A2A model, which im very fond of, but i can see your point regarding the AH version, esp in the canopy and rear fuselage.
Is the model in your screens, the one included in the AH/Just Flight pack. Ive got about £10 in reward points in Just Flight but i still cant make up my mind.. I like the model's but its let down by not very inspiring skins, and there's not many repaints out there. Also, its still about £25, which for FS9 , is quite pricey payware these days.
 
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The Realair Spitfire is the best one in my opinion. Great looks, flies really nice and has failure programmed. It is definitely not hard to break the engine. And it came with lovely free scenery.

However it comes in just one flavour. The Mk.XIV. So when you want to fly early models (like me) or the Mk.IX work horse you need to look somewhere else.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Very nice huub. I’ve really enjoyed you enjoying and showing off your spits, wonderful painting sir.

the a2a and ah, are they both Mk1s?
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Yes, both models are the Mk.Ia with the three bladed propeller and the bubble type canopy. Among other less visible differences, the Mk.I had a fixed two blade wooden propeller and flat canopy.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Very nice huub. I’ve really enjoyed you enjoying and showing off your spits, wonderful painting sir.

the a2a and ah, are they both Mk1s?
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Yes, both models in the screenshots represent the Mk.Ia with the three bladed propeller and the bubble type canopy. Among other less visible differences (like the engine), the Mk.I had a fixed two blade wooden propeller and flat canopy.

Cheers,
Huub
 
I went ahead and bought the Spitfire package from just flight. Its a nice package, although the prop blades seem to be oversized. Need to fly them more :) Sean
 
jackryan172 said:
I went ahead and bought the Spitfire package from just flight. Its a nice package, although the prop blades seem to be oversized. Need to fly them more :) Sean
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So far I had never noticed and I'm not sure Sean, the three bladed propeller on a Spitfire is actually quite large. The wide blade Rotol propeller mounted on the Spitfire early 1940 had a diameter of 10 ft and 9 inches (3.27 m).

This page contains some nice pictures: https://plane-crazy.k-hosting.co.uk/Aircraft/WW2-Planes/Spitfire/spitfire.htm

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I can remember the scenes in the movie "the Battle of Britain", in which the Spitfires take of and you can see the tip of the propeller is nearly hitting the ground.

Cheers,
Huub
 
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