FS2004 Screenshots Here!!!

[huub vink]

After the repaint done for the early Mk.I with the double blade propeller and flat canopy, I now will try to do a few repaints for the Mk.Ia version. Here is the first one.

R6709, flown by P/O Colin Falkland Gray, RNZAF, No. 54 Squadron, RAF Hornchurch, United Kingdom, March 1940.

Flown by P/O Colin Falkland Gray, R6709, coded KL-T, wore the standard RAF Temperate Land Scheme of Dark Green and Dark Earth on the upper surfaces, and White/Night lower surfaces. Type A fuselage roundels, Type B upper wing roundels and Mixed Grey code letters were carried. No roundels on the bottom surfaces. Colin Gray got his first kill, a Bf 109E, on May 25th, 1940, while escorting a Swordfish formation to bomb Gravelines (close to Dunkirk). By early September he had claimed 14½ kills. He finished the war as Wing Commander with 27 kills, two shared, six probable and four shared probable kills. This score makes him the top scoring New Zealand fighter ace of the Second World War.

The repaint is based on the painting instructions of the Eduard 1/48 Spitfire kit.

RAF Hornchurch was one of my favourite locations in European Air War. I don't want to push anybody, but I don't think we ever saw version of this airfield in FS2004. (Although I'm aware IanP, did one for FSX).

Cheers,
Huub

 

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Some fine FAA skins for Captain Kurts FM-1 Wildcat by UncleTgt which work great in FS9, in the library

Thanks for the HU Ian

Cheers,
Huub

 

[stoney]

Gladiator at Malta

Gladiator at Malta

 

[huub vink]

Gladiator at Malta

Yep, that is really nice scenery, which Ian gave us to play with!

Cheers,
Huub

 

[stoney]

Honestly it's an amazing piece of scenery! Just take off and fly around Valletta and look at all that eye candy. Is that the USS Ohio half sunk?

 

[Shessi]

Yep, limping home Ohio.

So much to see..when he released it I booked a two week virtual holiday in Valletta, spent the whole time sightseeing by air....it's that good! ...and one of his best I think.

Huub, very nice panels lines on the Spits, maybe a little too much shine for early versions? And only 4 more posts for the huge 10K!

Cheers

Shessi

 

[ian elliot]

Thanks guy's, i was very enjoyable to make, although i haven't flown from there in a while, and i dont have a Glad in my hanger either, i'll have to sort that out

 

[SgtT]

Thank you all for all of the pics. I cycle between FS2004 and FSX. I haven't figured out how to take an in game screenshot yet.

Rob

 

[Jorge]

Thank you all for all of the pics. I cycle between FS2004 and FSX. I haven't figured out how to take an in game screenshot yet.

Rob

I know what you mean!

I just open an instance of MSPaint before I start flying. Then just hit the "PrintScreen" button on the keyboard when I want to take a shot of something. I then "Alt+Tab" out of the sim to the MSPaint that's already open, paste it with "Ctrl+V" and then open the image for editing with GIMP.

I know, there are programs out there that can do a better and more advanced job, but I just like the simple way.

Jorge
Miami, FL

 

[huub vink]

Huub, very nice panels lines on the Spits, maybe a little too much shine for early versions? And only 4 more posts for the huge 10K!

Cheers

Shessi

Personally I like the default amount of shine/gloss. But when you want a matt version, I can of course provide one.....

The glossy version of a No 92 squadron aircraft. It operated over France during operation dynamo. The bottom wing surfaces were standard black/white, with the remainder of the bottom surfaces in aluminum. The Type A roundels were added to the bottom surfaces during the Battle of France, being bordered in yellow on the left black painted wing.

and for those who prefer less shine/gloss.......

The things I really need to work on are the wheels, tires and wheel covers. They look like they ave just left the Supermarine show room.

Cheers,
Huub

 

[huub vink]

And I thought it would be an easy job

A repaint for the Aeroplane Heaven/Justflight Spitfire prototype has been on my to-do list for as long as I have this model. As I had it already before it was released somewhere around 2005, that is a pretty long time.

The model isn't perfect, but definitely nice. However I always thought AH had taken a shortcut on the textures. I was convinced they had, in my opinion, used the incorrect panel lines from textures of the early Mk.I Spitfire. However after looking at pictures, reading books, looking at drawings, you tube movies, reading the very nice Wikipedia page and checking the Britmodeller site about this aircraft the confusion is complete.
As I thought the people who had done the full size replica , which can be found in the Tangmere Military Aviation Museum, must have done their homework, I went for the panel lines as can be seen on this replica and about half of the drawing I could find.

After I had taken my decision on the panel lines, the next obstacle was the colour. I thought the default texture were very dark compared with the black and white pictures available of the original aircraft. Sky blue seemed to be a logical colour, and many drawings and model show this colour. However the descriptions given in text normally call the colour "greenish" and close to sky-C. In the past Motormouse Pete, was kind enough to share a booklet with me describing all WWII colours and schemes. This booklet also contained a facsimile with the original colours. And although the prototype flew well before the war, I like the colour "Sky blue"on this chart.

As sky blue is perhaps too blue I also checked the looks of the model painted in Sky-C. After that I had a bright moment and checked the Sky blue of the pre-war British Colour Standard BS 381C. And the Tangmere replica is most likely painted in the same colour.

And although it is still "work in progress" here are the preliminary results.......

Feel free to comment!

Huub

The original textures:

Sky blue according to the sky blue in the Pete's British Aviation Colours of WWII. Note the different panel lines at the wings.

 

[huub vink]

A shade closer to Sky-C as often described in text.

And in the colour based on the pre-war British standard

Cheers,
Huub

 

[Motormouse]

Thank you all for all of the pics. I cycle between FS2004 and FSX. I haven't figured out how to take an in game screenshot yet.

Rob

Search out a little utility called FSScreen; at either flightsim, or avsim, or there's another non fs related utility called iirc 'snapper'

Ttfn

Pete

 

[Motormouse]

A shade closer to Sky-C as often described in text.

And in the colour based on the pre-war British standard

Cheers,
Huub

Nice one Huub,

It's also quite close to the colour of the replica pole mounted outside Southampton (Eastleigh) Airport.

Think I have a picture of the Tangmere replica from a visit I made there last year. I'm away from home until early next week, I'll take a look in my files then. Incidentally the number 2 was painted on for the Hendon Air pageant, to make it easier for Joe Public to put a name to an aircraft, all they had to do was look up what aircraft was " 2" on the participant list

Ttfn

Pete

 

[AndyG43]

Ah, what colour was K5054 ....... the favourite worm can of the plastic modeller, followed closely by "What IS that colour on the RAF F-4J(UK) Phantoms?"!!

According to Ian Huntley, who was on the case from his first sighting at the 1936 Hendon show, it was a Cellon shade called "French Grey" oft used in the painting of Rolls-Royce cars; a French Grey is in the current Farrow & Ball house paint range and doesn't look too far off the mark to me. The problem is, I think, the same as the Phantoms in that lighting conditions could make that shade look bluer, greener .....



Good luck with this one Huub.

 

[huub vink]

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Good luck with this one Huub.

That is Reichsluftfahrtministerium colour RLM02, also a mystery colour

But about the Spitfire prototype....

Reports on the colour of K5054 include:

• "This was a shade of blue-grey commonly called "French Grey" and was arrived at by adding blue pigment to a grey enamel base." (Robinson 1977)
• "Also the prototype was painted for the first time, with a very smooth light blue-grey finish." (Price 1982 p. 39)
• "At this stage the opportunity was taken to paint the aircraft in a pale blue finish, ..." (McLelland 2013, p. 49)
• "K5054 at Eastleigh in the cerulean blue finish in which it visited a number of air stations on Empire Day" (Andrew and Morgan 1981, p.216)
• According to Neil Cooper; "R.J. Mitchell gave his son a model truck painted with the same paint as the full size aircraft. We were able to make that paint by contacting the Spitfire museum in the UK, where the toy is held, and getting the colour scanned," (Smith 2019)
• Quill described its accuracy (Tangmere replica) as "99% to the original prototype", although it is non-flying. The overall colour was copied from a desktop model of K5054, believed to have been finished using paint left over from the original machine.

So all experts at least agree to disagree!
When you look at the Tangmere replica, the colour looks different depending the angle form which the picture is taken.

The decal supplier AlleyCat state the prototype has been repainted, which might explain a part of the confusion. The first blue-green finish was close to FS34325 (Tangmere replica) and in December 1937 it was painted in a colour called French Grey, which was a bit lighter and a bit more greyish than FS35414. Now the next problem has arrived. Do a search on the colour FS25414 and you get at least twenty different colours called French Grey, Light blue, blue green, paint blue........

Cheers,
Huub

 

[huub vink]

The prototype in one of the many shades of FS35414. A US Federal Standard which was developed 11 years after WWII, so definitely not in place when the prototype was painted

But I like the colour, it is more or less blue, green and grey all in one!

And painted with the paint supplied by Andy.... Different, and definitely not blue-ish, green-ish or grey-ish, but definitely not bad. And I think a sort of common colour in this pre-war period.

Cheers,
Huub

 

[AndyG43]

That is Reichsluftfahrtministerium colour RLM02, also a mystery colour

But about the Spitfire prototype....

Reports on the colour of K5054 include:

• "This was a shade of blue-grey commonly called "French Grey" and was arrived at by adding blue pigment to a grey enamel base." (Robinson 1977)
• "Also the prototype was painted for the first time, with a very smooth light blue-grey finish." (Price 1982 p. 39)
• "At this stage the opportunity was taken to paint the aircraft in a pale blue finish, ..." (McLelland 2013, p. 49)
• "K5054 at Eastleigh in the cerulean blue finish in which it visited a number of air stations on Empire Day" (Andrew and Morgan 1981, p.216)
• According to Neil Cooper; "R.J. Mitchell gave his son a model truck painted with the same paint as the full size aircraft. We were able to make that paint by contacting the Spitfire museum in the UK, where the toy is held, and getting the colour scanned," (Smith 2019)
• Quill described its accuracy (Tangmere replica) as "99% to the original prototype", although it is non-flying. The overall colour was copied from a desktop model of K5054, believed to have been finished using paint left over from the original machine.

So all experts at least agree to disagree!
When you look at the Tangmere replica, the colour looks different depending the angle form which the picture is taken.

The decal supplier AlleyCat state the prototype has been repainted, which might explain a part of the confusion. The first blue-green finish was close to FS34325 (Tangmere replica) and in December 1937 it was painted in a colour called French Grey, which was a bit lighter and a bit more greyish than FS35414. Now the next problem has arrived. Do a search on the colour FS25414 and you get at least twenty different colours called French Grey, Light blue, blue green, paint blue........

Cheers,
Huub

You've got (private) mail.

 

[Motormouse]

Ah, "What IS that colour on the RAF F4j

He he, it was a US version ( closest / nearest) of the UK Barley grey shades , the first few got repainted into standard UK Barley grey at major overhaul (ZE350/351/352) ..I worked on them.

Ttfn

Pete

 

[AndyG43]

He he, it was a US version ( closest / nearest) of the UK Barley grey shades , the first few got repainted into standard UK Barley grey at major overhaul (ZE350/351/352) ..I worked on them.

Ttfn

Pete

It was weird, every photograph seemed different because of lighting/weather conditions. Personally I thought it was funny watching people get so het up over it.