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One of Ernst Udet's Fokkers D.VII. (He flew several). I can't remember I have ever did a repaint of an aircraft, which had so much contradicting information written about it. In the Fokker anthology part from the windsock series, there is a full decription how the aircraft looked. But at the aerodrome site, they have a complete different opinion. The aircraft is subject to several plastic model kits, and the all have slightly different paint schemes. There are several full size replicas flying around in this scheme, but there is no consensus about what the aircraft should look like.

Like all other experts ;) I really don't know what the correct scheme is, but I thought this version looked quite nice.

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Huub, I think it comes down to the fact that aircraft operating on the front lines- change.
Maintenance comes down to "we'll fix it as soon as we have time" and (I think) the pilots would use what-ever paint they thought was lucky or just looked good. Until someone else came up with something better. ;)

Consider how many WWI aircraft made it to 100 hours of flight time without battle damage or a forced landing.
 
Sbob said:
Huub, I think it comes down to the fact that aircraft operating on the front lines- change.
Maintenance comes down to "we'll fix it as soon as we have time" and (I think) the pilots would use what-ever paint they thought was lucky or just looked good. Until someone else came up with something better. ;)

Consider how many WWI aircraft made it to 100 hours of flight time without battle damage or a forced landing.
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That's a fair point. As this particular aircraft most likely had the upper wing from another aircraft and also an undercarriage which was also taken from another aircraft. However I think the main reason the experts differ opinions about these aircraft is because we all base our opinion on a single picture poor black and white picture taken from an odd angle. And we add a lot of things known as "common practice" to it.

In the period form June 1918 until end September 1918 Ernst Udet flew at least 3 different Fokker D.VIIs. And although there are more pictures from him in front of a Fokker D.VII, it is often unknown which aircraft it is.

The Fokker in the repaint is normally regarded as the first Fokker D.VII Udet flew. As far as I know this is the only picture from which we are absolutely sure it is this particular aircraft, from which we even don't know the aircraft number :D . The photo was touched up in a way we are not even sure about what we see on this picture. For instance, half of the striping at the top wing is hand drawn....... :giggle:

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So at least we are sure the top wing had diagonal striping (although not sure about the colour and angle....) and the top of the lower wing didn't. There is no doubt that the elevator said "Du doch nicht !!" (Definitely not you) ;).

But I guess the research is the best thing of doing repaints. So this is my personal interpretation of what the aircraft most probably looked like. Again I learned a lot about these aircraft and its pilot Ernst Udet. He became the second highest scoring German ace from the first world war and was actually quite an interesting person. For sure he was a brilliant pilot, but he also suffered from deep depressions, was an opportunist and was a severe alcoholist.

Cheers,
Huub
 
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In any case, Huub, I admire your repaints. And I am sure about you did the best research possible about the planes you are painting.
As you almost mentionned it, most photos of warbirds or also classic aircraft are just in black and white. And the interpretation about
what would been the real colors is a science of its own. Concerning german aircraft of WW II, normally there would be no problems about
the colors used. There have been a paint regulations with given "RLM Farben". Colors edited by the ministry of air. That is the theory. In
reality things has been not such easy - - - A lot of things entered in that some times the colors had not been as "they should have been".
Thank you for your repaints and the research and history you let us know.

Best regards

Michael

Ps last summer, to repaint parts in our house we took two boxes of paint with absolut the same reference from the same manufacturer. But when we passed frome the first to the second the paint looked a little bit different - PLOP
 
Great looking repaint of the Fokker D.VII.
Here is the Fokker D.VII from Kermit Weeks in the nearly same paint.
Part 1 (arrival and assembly) is also worth to look.

 
scotty said:
Great looking repaint of the Fokker D.VII.
Here is the Fokker D.VII from Kermit Weeks in the nearly same paint.
Part 1 (arrival and assembly) is also worth to look.

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Yes, Scotty, I have seen that one. Kermit Weeks has chosen a black and white finish for the top wing. And he is not the only one. The Fokker Dr.I 586/17 had s scheme with black and white diagonal stripes as well. I was invented by Leutnant Hans Kirschstein of Jasta 6. He called it "die optische Täuschung" (the optical illusion). It seemed to work as he was normally only hit in his port wings.

Ernst Udet took over the 586/17 from Kirschstein and kept the black and white scheme. But as usual, he put the name "Lo" on the fuselage. So I think that is where the diagonal lines come from, and why I understand people consider black and white the most logical choice for the colours. (yes, I know black and white are no real colours....).

Cheers,
Huub
 
Motormouse said:
Another of Stuart Green's models... Do you have a paintkit for this one Huub? I have a scheme in mind

ttfn

Pete


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No Pete I don't have a paintkit for Stuart Green's Albatros. I must have created one in the past, as I did some repaints for the Albatros a very long time ago.

But as I recently created a paintkit for the Aerocrate Albatros D.II and one for Captain Kurt's OEF Albatros, I think I know the tricks to do one for Stuart Green's Albatros as well.

(A texture is nothing more than an illusion, I try to make you think you actually see something, but its just bits and bytes you are lookingt at in the end.... ;) )

So when your idea is good enough I will start a paintkit.

Cheers,
Huub

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See, you think you see ribs and fabric. But it is just a very flat drawing.....
 
huub vink said:
No Pete I don't have a paintkit for Stuart Green's Albatros. I must have created one in the past, as I did some repaints for the Albatros a very long time ago.

But as I recently created a paintkit for the Aerocrate Albatros D.II and one for Captain Kurt's OEF Albatros, I think I know the tricks to do one for Stuart Green's Albatros as well.

(A texture is nothing more than an illusion, I try to make you think you actually see something, but its just bits and bytes you are lookingt at in the end.... ;) )

So when your idea is good enough I will start a paintkit.

Cheers,


See, you think you see ribs and fabric. But it is just a very flat drawing.....
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I'm looking at Oberleutnant Godwin von Brumoski ; Austro-Hungarian ace with distinctive skull motif.
My friend Ivan ( professional artist) painted this picture, and also wrote a book.

Ttfn

Pete
 

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Motormouse said:
I'm looking at Oberleutnant Godwin von Brumoski ; Austro-Hungarian ace with distinctive skull motif.
My friend Ivan ( professional artist) painted this picture, and also wrote a book.

Ttfn

Pete
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As you most probably alread know von Brumoski flew an Oeffag Albatross (Österreichische Flugzeugfabrik A.G.) and the model by Stuart Green is an Albatros build by the Ostdeutsche Albatroswerke G.m.b.H.

Luckily von Brumoski also flew serveral versions of the Albatross, including the early version of the Austrian license built aircraft. The early version of the Oeffag Albatros didn't differ much from the OAW version.

As I also would like to do an Albatros with the wings covered with the bright Albatross lozenge, I will do a paintkit. But this most probably will take a few weeks. And the scheme on Brumoski's Albatros 153.45 is more complex than it looks as was covered with ochre swirls. You will have the version before the prop cone went missing ;) .

Cheers,
Huub
 
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