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FSAddon European sales will stop

Naismith said:
Actually it is the complete opposite of Socialism.
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You're joking right? The overwhelming evidence throughout history is the more power given to government, the less freedom the individual has. I think you need to re-examine the definition of Socialism as it's been PRACTICED in our times, vs. how it's been sold to you by liberal professors that permeate Universities. Government control and eventual state ownership of the ways and means of production and distribution of goods and services. Doesn't sound like individual freedom to me.

Undergrad in Political Science 1987, Masters in Public Administration 1995.

One of the best quotes ever - and it sums it up in one sentence:

"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
 
".... Also, seeing that the new rules are focussed on VAT, and the fact that us EU citicens pay VAT when buying from your site, if you would just pay the VAT to the state administration where you live, AND provide those details in your database, you should be ok, not?? ...".

I'm afraid it is more complicate than that. With the new rules I need to calculate 75 different tax rates depending on where a customer lives and what he buys...... 29 rates at the very minimum. My current shop software can only calculate 3, and I cannot change that.

But in addition I need to be able to show TWO bits of proof regarding every customer's location, his/her full credentials and address, IP address and all order details.

I need to do this twice. Once for the regular VAT for citizens of my own country, and then once for all other EU customers separately.

Furthermore I have only 20 days (was 30) to report after end of quarter, I need to have a special permit for it AND I need to keep all records for 10 years.

Folks, it is just TOO MUCH bother for those very few Euros I make with this, believe me. I just turned 62, I want a life... for what's left of it, and have some fun! Ideally I'd love to USE FS a little myself the next few years, too..... :biggrin-new:
 
I am so sorry to hear this, my old friend. This has been your life. But this is only for European sales, correct? Can't you still develop and market the items through other FS outlets to remain in the game?

Don
 
I'm sorry to hear this as well. But thank you for sorting out the website issue for me. I'm thoroughly enjoying the Liz and Glad! :applause:

Todd
 
It is 'just' my own shop, yes and just for European downloads. Still, it is part of my independence and what I worked on for the past 10 years.

But as a famous character said repeatedly: I'LL BE BACK !
 
Jeesh, I didn't know this was the Daily Mail-forum:banghead:. Fact is you're all blaming the wrong organisation; the real culprits are the national politicians:toilet_claw:.
 
Lawman said:
Jeesh, I didn't know this was the Daily Mail-forum:banghead:. Fact is you're all blaming the wrong organisation; the real culprits are the national politicians:toilet_claw:.
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I agree. But the national policians "blame it on Europe"... Have that repeated enough in the mainstream press, et voilà: misinformation!

But, a happy 2015 to all!

D.
 
Francois said:
It is 'just' my own shop, yes and just for European downloads. Still, it is part of my independence and what I worked on for the past 10 years.

But as a famous character said repeatedly: I'LL BE BACK !
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Francois, have you considered using this firm? http://www.taxamo.com/
They will handle all of the work for you
Taxamo is completely free to use up to 20 transactions a month.

After that, fees begin at €0.20c per transaction, and decrease based on the volume of transactions. There is no sign-up fee and no ongoing monthly fees.
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Yes, I have considered quite a few options. Fact remains the responsibility will remain on MY doorstep and I will have to deliver a lot of documentation to my local tax inspectors...... it just doesn't add up.
So for now I will only sell our products through other distributors, and take the financial hit of that..... until there is no longer a profit worth working for.

I hope to open up a new shop..... as soon as I can figure out how to prevent Europeans buying from it.
 
Francois said:
I hope to open up a new shop..... as soon as I can figure out how to prevent Europeans buying from it.
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Francois, my Grandfather was Welsh so does that make me non-European?

Sometimes I think the 'red tape' should be on the mouths of those in charge... :a1310:

Keep up the great work sir!

Dave.
 
What these new practices mean from customer's point of view?

This morning (1.1.2015) I had in my EMail box a newsletter from Simmarket. Went to the Internet shop and found out that now I have to pay Finland's overhelming 24% VAT for any purchase! That's among the biggest in whole EU. Well, I must now consider where to buy or buy at all because whole EU is now as expensive as Finland (one of the most expensive countries in the whole world).

As I told in my first message. EU is shooting it's own leg with this "lose-lose" politics.

Pekka
 
PHo17 said:
What these new practices mean from customer's point of view?

This morning (1.1.2015) I had in my EMail box a newsletter from Simmarket. Went to the Internet shop and found out that now I have to pay Finland's overhelming 24% VAT for any purchase! That's among the biggest in whole EU. Well, I must now consider where to buy or buy at all because whole EU is now as expensive as Finland (one of the most expensive countries in the whole world).

As I told in my first message. EU is shooting it's own leg with this "lose-lose" politics.

Pekka
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If one repeatedly shoots oneself in the foot then one should at least shoot through the same hole.

I have contacted our vendors and it does seem to mean that as the retailers it is their responsibility to charge VAT at the rate according to the country in which the purchaser resides irrespective of where the store is based. Also they have to keep full details of the purchase and the purchaser for 10 years as I read it. Many retailers may decide to bar sales to EU countries altogether due to the hassle. At the very least it means that EU customers will be discriminated against and prices will rise by around 20% or so. Developers who supply the retailers are not affected as they don't sell direct. Happy New Year. :(
 
I've been charged VAT (at the going rate) by Simmarket for ages so there's nothing new in this. Disappointingly.. the price quoted by default in Euros is generally what you end up paying in GBP which hardly seems right. How some folk have managed to avoid this in the past (and I know a few that have) is beyond me but there you go. The only sure fire way to know what you're gonna end up paying is to buy (in the UK) from UK vendors as these generally publish the total cost including VAT.

ATB
DaveB:)
 
The difference now is that Simmarket's VAT charge will be dependent on the country the buyer is located in, rather than the country Simmarket is based (Germany as far as I recall). For Miguel and Team I think it's more admin, or at least changes to the store to cover the individual VAT charges per EU member country rather than the blanket x percent for Germany.

For non EU stores it's business as usual really. :)

Here's a handy table I found online.. :)

http://www.happybootstrapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/VAT_changes_2015.png

That all being said, I feel for Francois, everyone has a line in relation to how much admin is too much for the return you get.
 
Smudge said:
The difference now is that Simmarket's VAT charge will be dependent on the country the buyer is located in, rather than the country Simmarket is based (Germany as far as I recall). For Miguel and Team I think it's more admin, or at least changes to the store to cover the individual VAT charges per EU member country rather than the blanket x percent for Germany.

For non EU stores it's business as usual really. :)

Here's a handy table I found online.. :)

http://www.happybootstrapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/VAT_changes_2015.png

That all being said, I feel for Francois, everyone has a line in relation to how much admin is too much for the return you get.
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Rgr that Dave. If I'm not mistaken.. we've been hit here for 19% VAT regardless of what our VAT rate was so this may actually make things a little more fair (not that I'm saying having to pay VAT on flightsim software is fair anyway)!!!

ATB
DaveB:)
 
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