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HALO Device
- Thread starter Panther_99FS
- Start date
Roxane-21
SOH-CM-2023
I am not sure of that... The part of the HALO which has been hit is far in front of the pilot's head (see picture below), and Alonso's car was moving forward. On your picture you can see that the thin aero device on top of the HALO is not even broken. Even without the HALO Leclerc's head wouldn't have been hit.
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wombat666
Administrator
Roxane-21, you're 99.99% correct.
Alonso's car was moving forward and the widget on the leading edge of the HALO was not broken.
Looking over the replays I have on my HD it might have been close but close is all it was.
I'm rather bemused by the penalty handed out to Hulkenberg as he was fully locked up and Riccardo was another unjustly penalised as he was definitely punted into the back of the Ferrari.
Much as I love Spa I think time has come for the start to be moved around turn 1, as the continued stupidity of drivers attempting to 'win' at the first corner makes this type of incident a given.
Alonso's car was moving forward and the widget on the leading edge of the HALO was not broken.
Looking over the replays I have on my HD it might have been close but close is all it was.
I'm rather bemused by the penalty handed out to Hulkenberg as he was fully locked up and Riccardo was another unjustly penalised as he was definitely punted into the back of the Ferrari.
Much as I love Spa I think time has come for the start to be moved around turn 1, as the continued stupidity of drivers attempting to 'win' at the first corner makes this type of incident a given.
Roxane-21
SOH-CM-2023
What are the 0.01% I got wrong?Roxane-21, you're 99.99% correct.
Alonso's car was moving forward and the widget on the leading edge of the HALO was not broken.
Looking over the replays I have on my HD it might have been close but close is all it was.
I'm rather bemused by the penalty handed out to Hulkenberg as he was fully locked up and Riccardo was another unjustly penalised as he was definitely punted into the back of the Ferrari.
Much as I love Spa I think time has come for the start to be moved around turn 1, as the continued stupidity of drivers attempting to 'win' at the first corner makes this type of incident a given.
Ricciardo was not penalized for this incident. Bottas was penalized because he rammed into Sirotkin's back just before turn 1.
If you think they should move Spa's start position after the hairpin (as it was until 1983) to avoid crashes at the start, what about Mosport's last turn?
jamminjames
Charter Member
How can you miss your braking point that far?
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Bunch of armchair experts here! 
Roxane-21
SOH-CM-2023
Being an engineer helps figuring out simple technical things.Bunch of armchair experts here!
What are the 0.01% I got wrong?
I think its the 0.01% that damaged Leclerc's HALO
. Alonso's car might move forward, but there is a thing called gravity as well, so most probably the car moved downwards simultaneously. Based on the damage to the HALO s the bottom of Alonso's can obviously hit it and most likely bumped off. When the HALO wouldn't have been there the result could have been quite different.I know there is a "probably", "a most likely" and a "could have" in my post, but I'm absolutely sure about the gravity......
Cheers,
Huub
wombat666
Administrator
Bunch of armchair experts here!
Been there and done that.
Open face helmet and not very much of a roll bar either!
I walked away but the car was pretty rooted.
Calder Raceway, 1970...........
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Being an engineer helps figuring out simple technical things.
Do you think the HALO device is an overall waste of time and money?
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Been there and done that.
Open face helmet and not very much of a roll bar either!
I walked away but the car was pretty rooted.
Calder Raceway, 1970...........
Yikes!!!....
Roxane-21
SOH-CM-2023
No. It has been designed to prevent a wheel or another car from hitting the pilot's head, and it already proved to be useful and efficient in that way. I don't like it because it is ugly, but safety devices are often ugly.
But in this case (Alonso/Leclerc accident) it didn't have to prevent anything since Alonso's car wouldn't have hit Leclerc's head anyway.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
But the HALO device did do its job in this case in that it prevented 'something' from hitting LeClerc's head....since nowhere in this thread did I specifically state Alonso's car...
Or am I incorrect?
Roxane-21
SOH-CM-2023
If you are thinking about Alonso's right-front tyre, it would have passed at least 40 or 50cm in front of Leclerc's helmet. So no, even without the HALO nothing would have hit his head.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
I'm not thinking anything specifically....but something hit it......
What it was, I don't know....
Roxane-21
SOH-CM-2023
Something hit the halo, indeed, but this doesn't mean the same 'something' would have hit Leclerc's head...
Again, I am not saying the HALO is useless. I am only saying it didn't save Leclerc's life in that nothing would have hit his head anyway.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Point taken: That is, we don't know if that something would or would not have hit LeClerc's head....Also note that I said "it did its job", again nowhere in the thread did I mention saving life....