Heinkels emerge from the paint shop

[eddie]

Flight Replica's made the historical markings an optional download for their 109 and 262, leaving it up to the user to download and add it to the models. They haven't seen any problems over it that I've heard.

 

[jeansy]

Flight Replica's made the historical markings an optional download for their 109 and 262, leaving it up to the user to download and add it to the models. They haven't seen any problems over it that I've heard.

seems like logic, heaven forbid using it

 

[Alan_A]

ummmm The 2 posts are contradictory.

Strictly speaking, you're right.

But there are rules and there are exceptions... and sometimes rules are relaxed for various reasons... say, to broaden the appeal of a product by introducing a slight variation that wanders a little away from realism. Say, for the sake of argument, a developer includes a DC-3 airline paint with a model that's actually a C-47 - not exactly right, but it gives airliner fans something to fly out of the box.

Note also that I'm not saying that a feature should be banned or removed. I'm saying an extra element - not quite a historical one - might be included, at no particular cost to anyone. What I'm suggesting is an addition, not a subtraction. If you want to sell historically correct airplanes and people want to fly them, that's fine with me.

An Allied paint, even if it's the wrong variant, might appeal to a different user base and wouldn't interfere with the core group of buyers.

Instead of a contradiction, let's say it's an evolving viewpoint.

And why don't we agree to leave it at that?

Again, wishing you all success!

 

[huub vink]

Guys this is the announcement of a (very nice) model under development. I don't know why, but it seems it has ended up in a discussion about historical markings.

As I personally think enough has been said on this topic, I would like to ask you to leave this topic and just focus on the model itself and the joy flying it might bring.

Thank you in advance for taking the content of this post in consideration.

Huub

 

[Bjoern]

Bjoern : some stores dont have that functionality. and we're selling it on our site so we needed ( see below on our newer fix idea ) to have a geo-locked area. I can only ask if you emptied your cache before trying again. We tried to ban ::FFFF:x.x.x.x based IP ranges but we're on a shared server and are unable to modify a .conf to allow that.

My caches is emptied whenever I close Firefox.

However we have a newer fix idea taken from our competitors!

After finding out what other people have done we're thinking of making the fantasy tail insignias the default installation... and have installers for the swastikas in the texture folder. These installers will have a a strongly worded introduction with a " I dont agree with this " button that closes the installation. Obviously there will be an installer if you so wish to go back. This puts the responsibility completely on the shoulders of the people who will install the insignias.

Easy, clean and simple. I like that.

 

[Alan_A]

Easy, clean and simple. I like that.

Agree completely.

And I agree with Huub, too - so on that topic, over and out!

 

[YoYo]

Yoyo: "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years in jail. " just quoting one of the sites we went through. Possibly could get rid of the ban on poland but the 119580 line .htaccess file would be a bear to find just the polish ones. But see below.

No! You add only the part in this law, I added before the second:

Article 256(...)
§ 3. The perpetrator of a prohibited act specified in § 2 does not commit a crime, if
that he committed this act as part of artistic and educational activities,
collectable or scientific.
(...)

So it means "no" for symbols for popularization of nazi systems but it means You can use for historical reasons, artistic (art), educations ect.
No any problems to see (and use swastika) in Poland for papers, books, photos, models (3D and plastics), movies, theaters ect.
Please read whole sentence not only the one. The crime is if You use swastika in our country ONLY if You will glorify this system.
Please unblock this page.

 

[YoYo]

Yoyo: "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years in jail. " just quoting one of the sites we went through. Possibly could get rid of the ban on poland but the 119580 line .htaccess file would be a bear to find just the polish ones. But see below.

No!
You added the part in this law only, I added before the second for You (more precisely):

Article 256(...)
§ 3. The perpetrator of a prohibited act specified in § 2 does not commit a crime, if
that he committed this act as part of artistic and educational activities,
collectable or scientific.
(...)

So it means "no" for symbols for popularization of nazi systems but it means You can use for historical reasons, artistic (art), educations ect.
No any problems to see (and use swastika) in Poland for newspapers, books, photos, models (3D and plastics kit), movies, theaters, games ect.
Please read whole sentence not only the one. The crime is if You use swastika in our country ONLY if You will glorify this system.
Good example for You its a Wolfenstein 2 The new Colossus (the prove: https://youtu.be/ghUdXKXiGO8?t=760 PL version of this game), as You see in Germany (right picture) symbols are baned in Poland You can see it:

So please unblock this page.

 

[huub vink]

Yoyo like I said a few posts earlier, I don't think people do justice to the model by focusing only on one single tail marking.

Beside that I must confess that I'm not particular interested in Polish legislation on this topic. Aeroplane Heaven has a pretty nice web-site on which you can click a link to get in contact with them. Beside that, I think in the last post from Pilto von Pilto's last post already showed that the problem is solved.

Thanks you for taking my previous posts in consideration.

For those (like me) who want to know more about the Heinkel He111 and the differences between the P (covered in this release) and H version, I found this beautiful website dedicated to this aircraft: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=99#specs

Cheers,
Huub

 

[IanP]

The P v H discussion is one where, although I want this model, the period which I tend to model airfields for was dominated by the He111H according to all the sources I have which don't just say "He111".

This will be one of the occasions many where the historical accuracy takes second place to "what's available".

Ian P.

 

[huub vink]

This will be one of the occasions many where the historical accuracy takes second place to "what's available".

Most probably we all love the movie Battle of Britain. Where British mainly fly the Mk.IX Spitfire, instead of Hurricanes and the Mk.Ia Spitfire. The Germans fly the Hispano Aviacion Ha1112, which is more or less a Bf109 G2 with a Merlin engine, instead of the Bf109E. The bombers are all CASA 2.111B instead of Heinkel He111 and Dornier Do17 bombers. Nevertheless this movie is often praised for its authenticy.

Now looking from that perspective, you must agree that the P version is nearly identical to the H version

For me the shape of the Heinkel He111 makes it a very attractive aircraft, both the P and H version, and even the CASA share the same beautiful lines.

Cheers,
Huub

 

[YoYo]

Btw.
I see that the product page is ready also:

https://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_heinkel.php

 

[IanP]

To be fair, the authenticity that people rate that film on isn't based on the hardware, but more on the script writing and direction. It supposedly gives a reasonable account of what actually happened without being too bombastic. It is more than a little biased, but it doesn't show one Spitfire shooting down nine or ten German aircraft in a single fight a'la most war films about WW2.

There are actually a weird bunch of Spitfires and Hurricanes in the BoB film - yes, the Spanish Air Force provided most of the "enemy" aircraft, but from memory, I think it was a couple of IXs, but there was also a Vb involved somewhere. Closer, if not perfect.

The CASA aircraft were license built, not developed separately, so yeah, they will look a bit similar.

Cheers,

Ian P.

Most probably we all love the movie Battle of Britain. Where British mainly fly the Mk.IX Spitfire, instead of Hurricanes and the Mk.Ia Spitfire. The Germans fly the Hispano Aviacion Ha1112, which is more or less a Bf109 G2 with a Merlin engine, instead of the Bf109E. The bombers are all CASA 2.111B instead of Heinkel He111 and Dornier Do17 bombers. Nevertheless this movie is often praised for its authenticy.

Now looking from that perspective, you must agree that the P version is nearly identical to the H version

For me the shape of the Heinkel He111 makes it a very attractive aircraft, both the P and H version, and even the CASA share the same beautiful lines.

Cheers,
Huub

 

[pilto von pilto]

For the people who may not have understood.

We are not geo-locking the website area. The area will soon be deleted. This is because the files will be downloadable by all as an alternate insignia package. The onus is upon you as the end user to abide by the laws and rules of your country.

Yoyo: if you want to run the nazi symbols on your aeroplane all you will need to do is to install the alternate insignias and click agree to not hold AH culpable for any laws you might be breaking.

On a side note. In oz there are no laws about this ( odd since OZ is in the top 10 countries in the world for over regulation ! ). Despite that, my personal opinions on the symbol and what it has come to represent is that I dont run the symbol anyway. in fact I havent checked if they look correct in the sim! That's just a personal thing though.

 

[YoYo]

Now its clear for me, thx for longer reply!

 

[huub vink]

When the Germans invaded the low countries on 10 May 1940 they lost 307 aircraft over the Netherlands (On one single day!). Sixteen of these were Heinkel He111s, which all but one belonged to KG4. The other one belonged to KG54. From 10 of these Heinkels the version was noted, and all were Ps with several sub-types. So in May 1940 the P version was still quite common.

Cheers,
Huub

 

[WarHorse47]

Any news??

 

[Seahawk72s]

.....

For me the shape of the Heinkel He111 makes it a very attractive aircraft, both the P and H version, and even the CASA share the same beautiful lines.

Having re-watched the "Battle of Britain" I too find this a must fly aircraft....

 

[huub vink]

Having re-watched the "Battle of Britain" I too find this a must fly aircraft....

You're not the only one. I have the "Special edition" and I even watched the complete second DVD with "the making of"

Cheers,
Huub

 

[thunder100]

When the Germans invaded the low countries on 10 May 1940 they lost 307 aircraft over the Netherlands (On one single day!). Sixteen of these were Heinkel He111s, which all but one belonged to KG4. The other one belonged to KG54. From 10 of these Heinkels the version was noted, and all were Ps with several sub-types. So in May 1940 the P version was still quite common.

Cheers,
Huub

Actually P's lastet at least till May 41 ( KG-55 changed in June to He-111 H , other sources ( less likely to Ju-88 A4 )
And as P1 to P4 and H are very similar it is not uncommon that elder P'ws even under full H6 equippment was used longer

That just for Historical accuracy

Best regards

Roland