In case you guys missed it.....RCS B-25 for FSX is out

Thoe6969 · Feb 8, 2009

I just can't understand people picking freeware planes apart,if there not good enough for ya dont fly um.I for one loved this plane in FS9and am glad to have her in FSX.Thanks for giving her to us. :applause:

GypsyBaron · Feb 8, 2009

Thoe6969 said:
I just can't understand people picking freeware planes apart,if there not good enough for ya dont fly um.I for one loved this plane in FS9and am glad to have her in FSX.Thanks for giving her to us.

Perhaps a favorable or unfavorable 'review' will influence
whether someone goes to the trouble of downloading and
installing a particular aircraft.

I, for one, would not have taken the time to do so had I
been informed of the VC deficiencies in this particular
aircraft. The excellent exterior views do not "sell" an aircraft
for me since I spend 99.5% of my time in the VC. That is
what 'sells me', or not, on any aircraft...freeware or payware.

The 'reviews' of others have saved me going to the trouble
of downloading a great many addons in the past and
I am thankful to have read them...YMMV...

Paul

Roger · Feb 8, 2009

GypsyBaron said:
Perhaps a favorable or unfavorable 'review' will influence
whether someone goes to the trouble of downloading and
installing a particular aircraft.

I, for one, would not have taken the time to do so had I
been informed of the VC deficiencies in this particular
aircraft. The excellent exterior views do not "sell" an aircraft
for me since I spend 99.5% of my time in the VC. That is
what 'sells me', or not, on any aircraft...freeware or payware.

The 'reviews' of others have saved me going to the trouble
of downloading a great many addons in the past and
I am thankful to have read them...YMMV...

Paul

How long did it take to download Paul...20 minutes?
How long did it take to make 500...1000hours?

Big shame for you wasting all that time to download it just to discover that it's not what you wanted.

I don't want to hear any more comments about freeware from you again. OK!!!!!

SkippyBing · Feb 8, 2009

I don't want to hear any more comments about freeware from you again. OK!!!!!

No sorry I don't buy that. Just because something is freeware doesn't mean you shouldn't comment on it/review it, otherwise how will the developers improve their future projects? Just saying 'Oh it's freeware it's beyond criticism' is ridiculous, sure it's worth thanking the developer for giving their time, but otherwise how could you tell good freeware from bad, where do you draw the line?
Do I release a cylinder and a box as freeware and claim it's a Beech Staggerwing? By your logic because it's freeware no one should comment that it's actually a feed of a***.
Personnally I liked the external model of the B-25, but the VC wasn't my cup of tea due to the way I do most of my flying. Now if someone had posted that before I'd downloaded it I may have saved myself the download time and test flying time, and yes 20 minutes of my time is valuable as I could have used it on something else.
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> freeware the developer can't improve and personally I find one constructively critical comment far more useful than fifty saying 'oh it's freeware, it's great'.

audixaudix · Feb 8, 2009

SkippyBing said:
No sorry I don't buy that. Just because something is freeware doesn't mean you shouldn't comment on it/review it, otherwise how will the developers improve their future projects? Just saying 'Oh it's freeware it's beyond criticism' is ridiculous, sure it's worth thanking the developer for giving their time, but otherwise how could you tell good freeware from bad, where do you draw the line?
Do I release a cylinder and a box as freeware and claim it's a Beech Staggerwing? By your logic because it's freeware no one should comment that it's actually a feed of a***.
Personnally I liked the external model of the B-25, but the VC wasn't my cup of tea due to the way I do most of my flying. Now if someone had posted that before I'd downloaded it I may have saved myself the download time and test flying time, and yes 20 minutes of my time is valuable as I could have used it on something else.
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I myself am also very picky and choosy as to what I look for in an aircraft, freeware or payware. I too get irritated when I spend however long downloading something that as soon as I have installed it, "irks" me for whatever reason and then is immediately remove. So speaking for myself, no offense is taken when people that use the VC as their primary flying "view" do not want to use the aircraft.

Unfortunately, it was not possible to get a full working VC for this version but as I have mentioned there are updates planned. I cannot give any timeframe as the model is but one part of it, but any updates will be announced.

I personally like the ambience of the VC myself and the work I am doing on the VC is to make it as realistic and useable as possible. So, any comments that give insight into what people want does make for a better final product.

For those interested, total manhours of the team on the project to date are in excess of 25000.

Steve

SkippyBing · Feb 8, 2009

Steve,

Glad you got my point!

With regards to the VC, I'd say the instruments need to be slightly higher resolution, shouldn't be a major problem as the 2d cockpit had great gauges. Offset the eyepoint to be above the pilot's seat rather than in the middle (understand why you did this in the current version) and make the engine controls etc. controllable in the VC.

It may be easier to do if you use the FSX exporter for gMax, I think this includes more of the basic controls as default animations. I wouldn't include a co-pilot in the VC as they tend to look unrealistic and actually make it less immersive.

If you have any questions I'd be happy to help.

Skippy

GypsyBaron · Feb 8, 2009

Roger said:
-SNIP-
I don't want to hear any more comments about freeware from you again. OK!!!!!

Then I might suggest you not read my posts from here on out
as you are certainly NOT my 'censor' and I shall continue
to post my observations/comments/critques as I see fit.

After all, what is the purpose of a forum if not to exchange
ideas, thoughts, information?

I'm sorry you seem to have such an apparent 'thin skin'...

Paul

EgoR64 · Feb 8, 2009

Very nice Shot Huub Vink !!

She sure is pretty up close !!

Cheers !!:ernae:

guzler · Feb 9, 2009

I have downloaded freewares in the past that were not my cup of tea, some of which others have raved about. I have never once been ungrateful though, as someone has put hours of there own time in them for others to enjoy. There are ways to publicly say that something is not "YOUR" cup of tea without making it out to be crap, as crap is personal choice anyway. My missus loves marmite, I bloody hate it, so who is right ? We all have different opinions, however, I believe that respect should be used in HOW that message is delivered, freeware or payware or anything else.

My two penneth

dharris · Feb 9, 2009

:focus:I can see the chief's point of view about flying mostly in vc and not wanting to bother with a less than perfect vc, however, I will usually download any model, if that one suits me personally and then decide for myself. If I would have just followed others critiques I would have missed out on a good many superb freeware. If after downloading and trying it out, I don't like it, the delete button is free-of-it-ware. That being said, each to his or her own. Life is to short to sweat the small stuff, as some of you, (you know who you are!) so enjoy the time left. It goes by so fast. And since this is a forum for opions, that was mine, thanks for listening.

Lateral-G · Feb 9, 2009

guzler said:
I have downloaded freewares in the past that were not my cup of tea, some of which others have raved about. I have never once been ungrateful though, as someone has put hours of there own time in them for others to enjoy. There are ways to publicly say that something is not "YOUR" cup of tea without making it out to be crap, as crap is personal choice anyway. My missus loves marmite, I bloody hate it, so who is right ? We all have different opinions, however, I believe that respect should be used in HOW that message is delivered, freeware or payware or anything else.

My two penneth

Well put.

As mom always said if you can't say something nice.......

I for one can respect ANYONE that puts the time and effort into creating these models. I know, because I have tried myself and realized firsthand just how much effort and time go into even the most simple thing like repainting. Doing a complete model from the ground up is an enormous task.

If I don't like a particular piece of freeware I move on to the next. If I do like it I will post saying so. Others may like it (same as me), others may not. I won't begrudge anyone their opinion, so long as it's expressed constructively. I will take umbrage at those who put down a modeler or model because a particular aircraft doesn't meet some arbitrary standards a user sets forth. If you have some sort of constructive criticism then by all means present it in a civil and cordial matter. But to criticize for the sake of criticism is just plain rude.

-G-

GypsyBaron · Feb 9, 2009

Lateral-G said:
-SNIP-
If you have some sort of constructive criticism then by all means present it in a civil and cordial matter. But to criticize for the sake of criticism is just plain rude.

-G-

Would you mind putting some context into your post?
Nowhere in this thread have I read anything that I
would consider "uncivil" or "rude" or "criticism for the
sake of criticism".

Certainly not my original post as that was meant only to point out
what I saw as deficiencies in an otherwise splendid model
as a user of TrackIR and someone who spends 99.5% of his
time in the VC....

Paul

huub vink · Feb 9, 2009

Personally I consider freeware a gift from the team who created this. Like in the real world there are gifts I like and gifts I like a bit less. Personally even when I like a gift a bit less I normally thank for it, as I definitely appreciate the fact somebody took he effort of giving the gift to me.

In my humble opinion it takes even more effort to upload anything, than to download it. And I should know as I have uploaded quite some files so far.

Huub

Roger · Feb 9, 2009

GypsyBaron said:
Then I might suggest you not read my posts from here on out
as you are certainly NOT my 'censor' and I shall continue
to post my observations/comments/critques as I see fit.

After all, what is the purpose of a forum if not to exchange
ideas, thoughts, information?

I'm sorry you seem to have such an apparent 'thin skin'...

Paul

When I administered the Fs forums here, which I did for 4 years until leaving for pastures new, I'd have given you one pm as a warning then another transgression and you'd have been gone. I never allowed such disparagement of gifts from the freeware boys as yours.
So from from your point of view it's a damn good job I left as staff.

LTCSZ · Feb 10, 2009

This is silly...Let's talk about flying!

Lateral-G · Feb 10, 2009

LTCSZ said:
This is silly...Let's talk about flying!

Amen brother!

GypsyBaron · Feb 10, 2009

Roger said:
-SNIP-
I never allowed such disparagement of gifts from the freeware boys as yours.
So from from your point of view it's a damn good job I left as staff.

"disparagement of gifts"...just HOW did you read THAT
into my post?
Pointing out what I considered deficiencies in a FSX aircraft?
Is it not allowed to have an opinion, other than yours?

You really ought to reexamine the thread here once you come
down off your high horse...

And if you were staff here, I would question the integrity
of the forums...

This is my final reply to you and my last post to this thread.
I shall, however, continue to express MY opinons as I see fit...

Paul

Gramps · Feb 10, 2009

Ok fellers, lets keep it civil here!!

Don't really wanna have to close this down

harleyman · Feb 10, 2009

My 2 cents

I have bought planes that I hated and never used...... Oh well

I have downloaded ,installed, and tossed perhaps 150 -200 freeware planes over the years that I did not care for...

I boil it all down to just hunting for something better...

The same as I / we all do with our hardware.....LOL

As Gramps said.......Its our sim,our fun, our oppinions...Please lets just go flying and enjoy it .....

SirBenn21 · Feb 10, 2009

Hi

How do I fix this?

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It looks the same when I'm flying.

:help:

Thanks

Ben

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