JF F4U-1 Corsair 'Birdcage' released!

[UnknownGuest12]

You mean the prop and . . . ? Hardly "so many", and both Bazzar and Martyn are replying pretty smartish.

Yes, if you prefer, "a few". Have you seen the movie? not blaming anyone, bugs happen all the time (I know I will not make better in ages, not even a pixel) no shame on that respect everyone and everybody, and I'm quite aware of Bazzar and Martyn good work and will to fix bugs. But as a client have the right to my opinion (not alone) in a rspectfullway, no?. My advice, see the movie without prejudice.
Best regards

 

[dvj]

I'm totally convinced that all customers are unwilling "beta testers". Lots of pressure to rush a product to market, and customer's have more eyes and hands on the final product than the developer. A list of fixes is quickly compiled from all the user complaints, hence the service pack. Which is OK if that service pack comes quickly.

 

[dhasdell]

But as a client have the right to my opinion (not alone) in a rspectfullway, no?.

Yes! Sorry if I came over as more scratchy than I intended.

 

[Martyn]

To quote my earlier post:

The prop issue has been reported to the development team (it's not something that I ever encountered). I can't see any other confirmed issues on this thread, but if you are experiencing any issues then please let me know.

Very few bugs have been reported to us and an even smaller amount confirmed as actual issues (versus subjective feedback and requests for functionality that isn't included etc, which is still appreciated and taken onboard) and those bugs are being looked at. This product was neither rushed nor was there any expectation that customers would act as testers - those assertions are simply incorrect. The product was released when all of the issues identified by us and the testing team in pre-release testing had been addressed. Any bugs found by customers that weren't identified by us or our testers will be promptly fixed in an update.

It is also worth alluding to the points raised by Bazzar, the developer of the product, in another thread that although realism is the 'name of the game' and something that is strived for where possible, these are not advertised as 'accu-sim' type products nor are they priced accordingly. However no suggestions or feedback is dismissed and where possible it will be incorporated into future versions of the product, and any bugs will of course be addressed as mentioned above

 

[bazzar]

I would also like to add that this video contains several important inaccuracies that frankly, if one is doing a review of some length with this air of "authority" should not be there. References to cylinder head temp gauges and generator switches are erroneous. He was able to start with no mags because he will earlier have attempted a cntrl/e start which as we have said many times, will break the starter code in this model. To suggest that it doesn't work is ridiculous. There are others but the thing is so long I lost my patience.

As Martyn says, we always patch our products when necessary and in a timely manner. We will never please some of you, for whatever the reason, the is a small party of people here who just don't like us or what we do. Don't know why, I am pretty sure I haven't offended anyone in the past but there is little I, or Martyn for that matter,can do about it.

 

[DaveB]

Haven't watched the vid.. not interested. Other than the prop.. I'm happy with the Corsair I (not flown the others!!).

As a by-the-by.. I found this snippet online I thought some may be interested in..

When the first four FAA Corsair squadrons, two of which 1830 and 1833, were deployed on Illustrious for that first cruise, they did not have time to actually qualify for landing Corsairs on a carrier at Brunswick, but had to do that in the UK. The Squadrons did sail with their aircraft to the UK from Virginia Beach aboard the carrier HMS Trumpeter... but get this, the pilots couldn't "land on" aboard Trumpeter, as they weren't qualified. Instead they landed at what is probably now NAS Oceana, and literally taxied their Corsairs themselves down the city streets, with engines running and their wings folded, before the Corsairs were hoisted aboard Trumpeter!

Now THAT must have been a sight. Look out of your front window to see a squadron of Corsairs going down the road
ATB
DaveB

 

[Ian Warren]

Strange I don't have a prop issue, I like the feeling or the animation off movement ... when a kid I had this skill building cardboard aircraft ... cheap solution to plastic kitsets , being the inventer I made the engine nacelle to carry a piece of wood , old garden stake just to put a propeller on it .. in the late evenings I was outside running around with my Hurricane , Mosquito and yes had a Corsair .. I loved the head wind (bloody cold tho) .. going into that headwind the prop gave that very same affect .. check your old war doco's and it sticks out like 'dogs balls' .. I really hated the down wind leg tho Props stopped turning.

 

[falcon409]

I already have the Aircraft Factory Corsair, but will probably pick this one up in due time. I found the video more humorous than instructive and dumped it about 5 minutes in. I mean when you start the first minute of an hour long video with. . ."I'm going to keep this as short as possible". . .and. . ."It's an ok model, the FDE is terrible and you should save your money and buy the Aircraft Factory Corsair?". . .where can you possibly go from there for another 59 minutes, lol. Silly.

Baz and Martyn put out excellent models, with nice detailing/animations, great sounds and FDE's and at a very reasonable price. I don't think you can go wrong with any of their offerings.

 

[hairyspin]

Cheers

Paul

Thanks for that. It sent me to sleep, from which I awoke much refreshed!

 

[CodyValkyrie]

Baz and Martyn put out excellent models, with nice detailing/animations, great sounds and FDE's and at a very reasonable price. I don't think you can go wrong with any of their offerings.

This hits the nail on the head for me.

I have different simulations I enjoy for entirely different reasons. I think it is highly disingenuous to hold one company to the standards of others in such a niche market. It's that kind of thinking that has caused so many developers to outright leave. There's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, but at some point you're beating a dead horse. Be kind to the developers still left, because there were many times in the past when we didn't have anything resembling the quality of products we have nowadays.

I for one haven't found any issues that have completely taken me out of the simulation, although I've found a few minor bugs and may or may not report them. Regardless, I'm just happy to have the product, and that these guys continue to produce products I'm interested in. Keep on keeping on guys!

 

[Ian Warren]

This hits the nail on the head for me.

Studying the detail with the gear and course fold the wing and that is exceptional detail , one off the biggest things I picked up on was the sound, directly.. that was Corsair !

 

[roger-wilco-66]

This hits the nail on the head for me.

I have different simulations I enjoy for entirely different reasons. I think it is highly disingenuous to hold one company to the standards of others in such a niche market. It's that kind of thinking that has caused so many developers to outright leave. There's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, but at some point you're beating a dead horse. Be kind to the developers still left, because there were many times in the past when we didn't have anything resembling the quality of products we have nowadays.

I for one haven't found any issues that have completely taken me out of the simulation, although I've found a few minor bugs and may or may not report them. Regardless, I'm just happy to have the product, and that these guys continue to produce products I'm interested in. Keep on keeping on guys!

Well that hit the nail on the head for me! Good thinking.
I enjoy the Corsair very much and think it was a good buy. I do have some points of critique, but they are a matter of taste and I will keep that to myself and may try to fix it to my liking (mostly cockpit texturing).

Cheers,
Mark

 

[JimH]

I found the video interesting, but winced at the strong negativity expressed regarding what appears to be a nice JF rendition of the Corsair. Criticism is fine, but not to the point where we drive developers into retirement. The video is quite detailed, reviewing the accuracy of airspeeds, trim tabs, CO2 bottles, etc. I watched another video produced by the same person in which he flew the Aircraft Factory Corsair. I was disappointed that the Aircraft Factory review was very general and did not even address many of the technical issues that were critically addressed in the video about the JF Corsair. I understand that the JF Corsair is new and the Aircraft Factory Corsair is pretty old, so maybe they should be held to different standards. But still, it would have been interesting to see how they compare in a direct, fair comparison.

 

[wombat666]

I found the video interesting, but winced at the strong negativity expressed regarding what appears to be a nice JF rendition of the Corsair. Criticism is fine, but not to the point where we drive developers into retirement. The video is quite detailed, reviewing the accuracy of airspeeds, trim tabs, CO2 bottles, etc. I watched another video produced by the same person in which he flew the Aircraft Factory Corsair. I was disappointed that the Aircraft Factory review was very general and did not even address many of the technical issues that were critically addressed in the video about the JF Corsair. I understand that the JF Corsair is new and the Aircraft Factory Corsair is pretty old, so maybe they should be held to different standards. But still, it would have been interesting to see how they compare in a direct, fair comparison.

I guess it's hard for a person or persons with a certain agenda to produce a fair comparison, despite the fact that without diverse subjects available we would find the FS experience very dreary.

 

[fsxar177]

I'm totally convinced that all customers are unwilling "beta testers". Lots of pressure to rush a product to market, and customer's have more eyes and hands on the final product than the developer. A list of fixes is quickly compiled from all the user complaints, hence the service pack. Which is OK if that service pack comes quickly.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[huub vink]

My sentiments exactly.

Thank you for your positive input again Joseph! I think you already made a similar remark in post 11, which was already answered by Martyn in post 17 and 84. When you want to keep repeating yourself, it is fine with me but please open a "I repeat myself thread" so I can ignore it.

I don't know how much experience you have with beta testing, but I have tested quite a few models over many years. When you are involved from the start it is a quite complex and long lasting process. As the developer often has more than one beta tester it is quite difficult to track which remarks have been solved or not. As not everything happens the same on every computer and it is often difficult to reproduce anomalies. And sometimes real life get in the way and a valuable remark is missed just because there was something more important to do at that moment.

Like most developers, beta testers are real people as well and believe it or not, but they sometimes do make mistakes and sometimes they miss something or accept a certain minor shortcoming which becomes suddenly unacceptable for a customer. Personally I think the efforts developers and beta testers put in a model is hardly matched by the efforts most buyers put in reading the manual or study the history of a particular model.

Joseph when you ever will release your model, I will be the first to complain that the "click"of the switches does not meet the real sound and that you just copied the wav file for all switches and ignored the difference in distance between the pilot and the switch. I will call it "Very unprofessional", and I will wonder why none of your beta testers has ever noticed this.

Again thanks for your input, it gave me the chance to vent my feelings.

Huub

PS In case you wonder; No I wasn't a beta tester on the Corsair.

 

[wombat666]

My sentiments exactly.

And how is the 'crowd funded' program of the very basic GA coming along?

 

[Stickshaker]

Thank you for your positive input again Joseph! I think you already made a similar remark in post 11, which was already answered by Martyn in post 17 and 84. When you want to keep repeating yourself, it is fine with me but please open a "I repeat myself thread" so I can ignore it.

I don't know how much experience you have with beta testing, but I have tested quite a few models over many years. When you are involved from the start it is a quite complex and long lasting process. As the developer often has more than one beta tester it is quite difficult to track which remarks have been solved or not. As not everything happens the same on every computer and it is often difficult to reproduce anomalies. And sometimes real life get in the way and a valuable remark is missed just because there was something more important to do at that moment.

Like most developers, beta testers are real people as well and believe it or not, but they sometimes do make mistakes and sometimes they miss something or accept a certain minor shortcoming which becomes suddenly unacceptable for a customer. Personally I think the efforts developers and beta testers put in a model is hardly matched by the efforts most buyers put in reading the manual or study the history of a particular model.

Joseph when you ever will release your model, I will be the first to complain that the "click"of the switches does not meet the real sound and that you just copied the wav file for all switches and ignored the difference in distance between the pilot and the switch. I will call it "Very unprofessional", and I will wonder why none of your beta testers has ever noticed this.

Again thanks for your input, it gave me the chance to vent my feelings.

Huub

PS In case you wonder; No I wasn't a beta tester on the Corsair.

My sentiments exactly. Yes, I did some beta testing in the past and no, I was not involved in the Corsair. I had critisisms of AH products in the past but I try to view every new product with an open mind. The Corsair may have its shortcomings but on the whole I like it. It is not the MilViz F-100, but it does not cost the price of the F-100 either.

 

[stansdds]

I had the whole Corsair package from AH for FS9. None of those were completely correct, but it was the best package available for FS9. In looking at the screen shots and video of the FSX version, it is not completely correct either. To date, there has not been an accurate Corsair for FSX. I'm still hoping for an accurate representation of the Corsair from A2A and/or MilViz. As far as getting the modelling correct, the Corsair underwent hundreds of changes during its production run and many of those changes would occur during the production run of each specific version of the Corsair, especially with the -1 and -1A versions and to a lesser extent with the -1C and -1D. U.S. Army Air Corps assigned a numerical suffix to their aircraft model designations, creating blocks of production and it is fairly easy to depict an accurate model by modeling a specific block. Unfortunately, the U.S. Navy did not utilize such a system, so that compounds the difficulty in accurate modelling.

As for those who are looking for a clipped wing F4U-1, keep looking because I have never seen any evidence of the clipped tips being installed on any F4U-1's, but Vought probably used an F4U-1 held as an R&D unit. Same goes for the center line fuel tank and bomb. There was exactly one F4U-1 with that capability and it was a Vought R&D F4U-1. The video offers some harsh criticism of the AH Corsair, but he does make some valid points. For $30 I will definitely pass.

 

[DaveB]

I think the clipped wing Corsairs were only used by the RN as some of our carriers weren't large enough to accommodate them in the hangar. After a lot of searching.. I found a shot of a clipped wing Corsair I with Birdcage canopy so they did exist but shots are very rare

ATB
DaveB