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Just Flight DC-6B released
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I think you got the wrong end of the stick Pat.
Robert (N2056) was having a go at the original poster of that picture and his comments are the ones without the white boxes pointing out the 'faults' in the original poster's comments. He was not having a go at the DC-6 at all. Robert is a developer too and would never do something like that to another developer's work.
gradyhappyg
Charter Member
N2056
Charter Member
See, nobody's perfect!
In all honesty I was hoping to add a bit of levity to the thread while illustrating a point. It seems to have failed, and I doubt I'll make an attempt at humor here again.
N2056 my dad never graduated from high school, he elected to leave the house in the mid-30s and hit the road so there would be one less mouth to feed during the Depression. He never finished high school - but before he left school he won a Detroit News statewide spelling bee in Michigan. My family has the MASSIVE inscribed Webster's dictionary the newspaper gave him as a prize to prove it. For a long time he worked as a construction inspector for a civil engineering firm. He had to read and be familiar with blueprints, made or annotated by college engineering grads, in order to do his job and was FOREVER finding misspellings and improper punctuation on these documents. It gave him great amusement to do this, and make little written corrections to the errors. Dad died in April of 1982. When I saw your take on the criticism of the criticism of the DC-6's paint job and technical details, I immediately thought of him and rest assured you gave me a good laugh.
Where is this aircraft available at? The Just Flight site? I'm a little leery of purchasing it as I've had both outstanding and not so good results with their products (JF Mosquito and Lancasters work very well indeed; on the other hand their P-38 won't display external textures no matter what I do). However, I naturally side with someone who is under attack after doing their best and turning out what looks to be an outstanding product. I like to fly something that is esthetically pleasing and fun to fly, and "approximates" the operating parameters of the real thing. I couldn't do a paint job if my life depended on it and I appreciate the efforts of those who actually DO the paint jobs (and everything else), trying hard to give an accurate representation of an aircraft's appearance and performance. If someone can give me a straightforward appraisal of this aircraft I may join the queue at the website.
Where is this aircraft available at? The Just Flight site? I'm a little leery of purchasing it as I've had both outstanding and not so good results with their products (JF Mosquito and Lancasters work very well indeed; on the other hand their P-38 won't display external textures no matter what I do). However, I naturally side with someone who is under attack after doing their best and turning out what looks to be an outstanding product. I like to fly something that is esthetically pleasing and fun to fly, and "approximates" the operating parameters of the real thing. I couldn't do a paint job if my life depended on it and I appreciate the efforts of those who actually DO the paint jobs (and everything else), trying hard to give an accurate representation of an aircraft's appearance and performance. If someone can give me a straightforward appraisal of this aircraft I may join the queue at the website.
NICE!!
Launched out of McCarran 25R and flew a nice circuit of the Vegas valley and put her down on 25L with a smooth return to Terminal 2.
Nice solid feel to the controls made approach easily predictable. Sweet little flying airplane for me. Love that Pan Am paint too.
I like it. Jim
Launched out of McCarran 25R and flew a nice circuit of the Vegas valley and put her down on 25L with a smooth return to Terminal 2.
Nice solid feel to the controls made approach easily predictable. Sweet little flying airplane for me. Love that Pan Am paint too.
I like it. Jim
AussieMan
SOH Staff .."Bartender"
At the moment I am trying to find a decent shot of an Ansett-ANA DC-6 so I can do a repaint. Also looking for a decent Trans Australian Airlines DC-6 as well so I can add to that stable also.
I love flying this aircraft but am trying to do repaints so I can have some Aussie models.
I love flying this aircraft but am trying to do repaints so I can have some Aussie models.
wombat666
Administrator
SABENA???? Who cares, just a tin pot minor airline that counts for nought.
Hows that for a dismissal???
shackleton_boy
Charter Member
Maarten -
Charter Member 2016
You must be joking! Cheerio!
Okay, I posted just one criticism yesterday evening, and the very last thing i expected was to cause a ****storm. I'm just going to run you all step by step through what I did, and why I did it in such a way.
1. I'm working in an industry where I'm expected to deliver high quality products time after time, and where we work according to the peer review system. We mark up each other's work, any minor mistake is a single mark, any severe mistake is a double mark. Anything over ten marks on one product is an automatic disapproval. I understand I might be asking too much from anybody not being used to being evaluated in this way.
2. I'm also known for not pulling punches. I call something as I see it, and if I disapprove of something I say so. What I saw, in my eyes, was not done to the standard I was expecting of a payware product - especially not one that has an advertisement campaign running in virtually every single aviation magazine I read.
3. I have also done quite research into Sabena for the past five years, so perhaps I am more knowledgeable about certain aspects, such as the company's liveries. I admit I allowed this to colour my vision on the subject. So I do offer my apologies for that.
Finally, in response to some of the replies I read in this and the other thread:
4. I am familiar with modelling, and I have also done quite a number of repaints, so I am well aware how challenging it is. I've actually canned some of my own stuff for less. So no need to attack me on that, thank you.
5. Wombat, if ever, that was probably the most disgusting argument I've ever read on any forum I've ever visited. Sabena is a personal matter for me. I routinely flew it, my parents flew it, my grandparents flew it, my great-grandfather even had quite a hairy emergency landing with the company in the 1930s which he only survived thanks to the skill of the company's pilots. I also have quite a number of acquaintances who worked for the company. For me, dishing the memory of the company is dishing them personally.
With that all said, I think it is probably best for me to shut up, I know when I'm not needed anymore, and apparently, from all of the replies, I'm 'irrelevant'.
1. I'm working in an industry where I'm expected to deliver high quality products time after time, and where we work according to the peer review system. We mark up each other's work, any minor mistake is a single mark, any severe mistake is a double mark. Anything over ten marks on one product is an automatic disapproval. I understand I might be asking too much from anybody not being used to being evaluated in this way.
2. I'm also known for not pulling punches. I call something as I see it, and if I disapprove of something I say so. What I saw, in my eyes, was not done to the standard I was expecting of a payware product - especially not one that has an advertisement campaign running in virtually every single aviation magazine I read.
3. I have also done quite research into Sabena for the past five years, so perhaps I am more knowledgeable about certain aspects, such as the company's liveries. I admit I allowed this to colour my vision on the subject. So I do offer my apologies for that.
Finally, in response to some of the replies I read in this and the other thread:
4. I am familiar with modelling, and I have also done quite a number of repaints, so I am well aware how challenging it is. I've actually canned some of my own stuff for less. So no need to attack me on that, thank you.
5. Wombat, if ever, that was probably the most disgusting argument I've ever read on any forum I've ever visited. Sabena is a personal matter for me. I routinely flew it, my parents flew it, my grandparents flew it, my great-grandfather even had quite a hairy emergency landing with the company in the 1930s which he only survived thanks to the skill of the company's pilots. I also have quite a number of acquaintances who worked for the company. For me, dishing the memory of the company is dishing them personally.
With that all said, I think it is probably best for me to shut up, I know when I'm not needed anymore, and apparently, from all of the replies, I'm 'irrelevant'.
Tim-HH
SOH-CM-2023
Okami, Maarten, what's wrong with you? Why are you starting such a 'campaign' against JF and AH in this and other forums?
You are both still FS9 users. So why do you care about FSX addons then? Is it out of anger, because they do not support your Flight Simulator anymore...?
Constructive criticism is always welcomed. But making baseless and/or nit-picking accusations is nothing that should be tolerated over here.
Greetings
Tim
You are both still FS9 users. So why do you care about FSX addons then? Is it out of anger, because they do not support your Flight Simulator anymore...?
Constructive criticism is always welcomed. But making baseless and/or nit-picking accusations is nothing that should be tolerated over here.
Greetings
Tim
Maarten -
Charter Member 2016
Excuse me Tim. If anyone is starting a "campaign" it is not Okami or me doing that. I was merely surprised about the quality of this payware DC-6. It was not an attack on anyone personally.
What Okami and myself on the other hand are undergoing after writing what our impression is, is hard to describe without becoming as rude as many people who reacted to our opinion. So I'll refrain from that.
Cheers,
Maarten
What Baz has stated isn't anything new or out of the ordinary and it certainly won't be the last thread on this topic.
That's the difference from a salary job and a indy team. If a dev team takes 1 year to produce an aircraft that's down to the last cm believe me, you wouldn't be able to afford this kind of accuracy on a regular basis. Gathering resources, 3d modellers, texture artists, FDE and XML Coders, project management, promotional material doesn't come cheap.
If I had to write up my personal hourly work for each aircraft and relied on it to pay the mortgage, Id be living under the stars.
Sorry to sadden everyone's hopes here BUT, you won't find a "100% accurate" aircraft in FSX EVER.. its just not physically possible. I don't care who the team is, its all lies.
I know where Baz is coming from with this, I've had it myself so as a lot of other teams and for those that say get thicker skin deserves a fat lip. :salute:
Sales are not as they used to be and everyone's feeling it. New aircraft are not coming in as thick and fast as they used to be. Old products are being revamped and re-sold simply because the ROI is diminishing.
vstudios won't be developing any new aircraft, we'll be completing what we have and then going down other avenues.
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That's the difference from a salary job and a indy team. If a dev team takes 1 year to produce an aircraft that's down to the last cm believe me, you wouldn't be able to afford this kind of accuracy on a regular basis. Gathering resources, 3d modellers, texture artists, FDE and XML Coders, project management, promotional material doesn't come cheap.
If I had to write up my personal hourly work for each aircraft and relied on it to pay the mortgage, Id be living under the stars.
Sorry to sadden everyone's hopes here BUT, you won't find a "100% accurate" aircraft in FSX EVER.. its just not physically possible. I don't care who the team is, its all lies.
I know where Baz is coming from with this, I've had it myself so as a lot of other teams and for those that say get thicker skin deserves a fat lip. :salute:
Sales are not as they used to be and everyone's feeling it. New aircraft are not coming in as thick and fast as they used to be. Old products are being revamped and re-sold simply because the ROI is diminishing.
vstudios won't be developing any new aircraft, we'll be completing what we have and then going down other avenues.
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Roger
Senior Administrator
I would truely like to see this thread back on topic but if it stays as it is then we will have to close it. There is a way to criticise in a kind and helpful way that few if any would take objection to, but some of the comments here are rubbishing the model rather than simply thinking that they hate it and leaving the rest of us to enjoy what we see. Members here don't need anyone telling them that their choice is poor and longstanding commercial members don't need the sort of mudslinging we have seen here.
dougal
Charter Member 2016
I know I get paranoid sometimes;-) but I do so hope my previous post is not 'lumped' in with some these truely shameful rants? I tried to be as objective as possible.
For the price, I think this addon is more than fair.
****me, no wonder so many developers are pulling out!
For the price, I think this addon is more than fair.
****me, no wonder so many developers are pulling out!
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