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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Just Flight DC-6B released

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Okami said:
2. I'm also known for not pulling punches. I call something as I see it, and if I disapprove of something I say so. What I saw, in my eyes, was not done to the standard I was expecting of a payware product - especially not one that has an advertisement campaign running in virtually every single aviation magazine I read.
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This is the point some people are addressing here. First of all, while you may be “known for not pulling punches”, some are wondering why it is necessary to throw punches in the first place. What is the point of delivering what might otherwise be received as constructive criticism in the form of a “punch”, pulled or otherwise? One might try “hey, I can help you with this paint, here’s some reliable data I have on how it looks…”. This way it looks like you’re trying to help, see? When you instead say: “this is the worst paint job I’ve ever seen”, then it doesn’t look like you’re trying to be helpful. It looks like you’re trying to impress the crowd with how smart you are at somebody else’s expense, which doesn’t reflect well on you.

There are differences between being employed “in an industry where I'm expected to deliver high quality products time after time, and where we work according to the peer review system…” etc., and hanging out at a flight sim community web site as an interested observer. In the latter case, civility may be more effective…
 
I'm calling Donald Douglas about this!

Here's how I see it (for what little it's worth).

Criticism about the product is really criticism of the people whose work it is.

No matter how you slice it, that makes it personal.

If you tell me my work sucks, in reality you're telling me, I suck.

Do you really think I'm going to take kindly to anyone who tells me I suck?

The old adage is always true, "if you can't say anything nice, shut up"

I'm not saying everyone isn't entitled to their opinion, I'm just saying don't poison the well we all gotta drink from.
 
PRB said:
This is the point some people are addressing here. First of all, while you may be “known for not pulling punches”, some are wondering why it is necessary to throw punches in the first place. What is the point of delivering what might otherwise be received as constructive criticism in the form of a “punch”, pulled or otherwise? One might try “hey, I can help you with this paint, here’s some reliable data I have on how it looks…”. This way it looks like you’re trying to help, see? When you instead say: “this is the worst paint job I’ve ever seen”, then it doesn’t look like you’re trying to be helpful. It looks like you’re trying to impress the crowd with how smart you are at somebody else’s expense, which doesn’t reflect well on you.

There are differences between being employed “in an industry where I'm expected to deliver high quality products time after time, and where we work according to the peer review system…” etc., and hanging out at a flight sim community web site as an interested observer. In the latter case, civility may be more effective…
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Beautifully& succinctly put:applause:
 
Okami said:
Wombat, if ever, that was probably the most disgusting argument I've ever read on any forum I've ever visited. Sabena is a personal matter for me. I routinely flew it, my parents flew it, my grandparents flew it, my great-grandfather even had quite a hairy emergency landing with the company in the 1930s which he only survived thanks to the skill of the company's pilots. I also have quite a number of acquaintances who worked for the company. For me, dishing the memory of the company is dishing them personally.
With that all said, I think it is probably best for me to shut up, I know when I'm not needed anymore, and apparently, from all of the replies, I'm 'irrelevant'.
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Good thinking the last paragraph.
SABENA????
A 'disgusting' argument????
Perhaps you need to 'develope a thicker skin'.......I prefer to not 'pull any punches' myself.
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TBH im not an old airliners fan, even the DC-6 doesnt tickly my fancy but this is a very nice priced addon for the quality recieved. Infact there are addon's that are priced in the same £15-£25 range (abacus, AFS and LJL) that are a lot worse in both the model and paint quality when compaired to this addon...
 
Deano said:
vstudios won't be developing any new aircraft, we'll be completing what we have and then going down other avenues.
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Oh no---Deano,can`t be true???

Regarding the DC-6,i just don`t have her so i cannot say anything about her.
Over the years of simming,i know what i can expect from a developer and what not.
So i buy or not---quite simple for me.
I am only a simmer,not a real world aircraft expert and i would never have the idea to sit here
and compare photos or vids with an FSX model.I`m not that crazy.
I love a nice VC,nice sounds and an overall nice look inside and outside.
Ok, a DC-6 should look like a DC-6 and not like DC-8 of course.
So i will never understand what you are talking about here,it`s wasted time imho.
When you don`t like the product,don`t buy it but please don`t treat the developers the way you do it here.
What do you want to fly if all devs are gone???
My 2cents.
Michael

PS.I`ve just seen that i have collected some points at JF-----off,dl the DC-6:running:
 
dougal95 said:
That was a nice surprise for me too. Made the DC6 a great buy!
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There will be points added with the DC-6B expansion pack as well when it arrives( If you want to buy it of course).

You can use them against your next purchase or let them accumulate until you decide to redeem them on the check-out page.


Colin.
 
PRB said:
When I think I see something wrong with a new release, that I feel is super duper important, I PM the developer. I don't know, that just seems like the polite way to go about such things. This is just sad. Now I'm definately buying this plane.
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I agree that a polite private email is the way to advise the developer of a perceived problem. I recently found a small error on a repaint I had eagerly awaited, rather than shout from the rooftops how clever I was to find this little mistake I pmd the painter to explain what I thought was wrong. The repainter agreed and issued a corrected scheme and thanked me for not going public. I would not wish to embarrass or denigrate any person development or team in public. It only serves to make the whingers look small.
 
Deano said:
Sorry to sadden everyone's hopes here BUT, you won't find a "100% accurate" aircraft in FSX EVER.. its just not physically possible. I don't care who the team is, its all lies.


vstudios won't be developing any new aircraft, we'll be completing what we have and then going down other avenues.
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1. Real planes aren't 100% either.

2. It's too bad you guys are throwing in the towell, but I really hope the T-33 is in the pipeline and will get finished.
 
Just took her for a short hop and i must admit,that
i am very surprised.
Far better than the DC-3.
I was very sceptical before buying her,but i am very happy with
that old Lady.
Great job AH!
Michael
 
One very last thing on the issue:

I agree, a post was not the best way for me to address the issue. In the past, I've often PM'ed with repainters/developers of addons in which I perceived a problem, usually resulting in corrections.

My issue was mainly with the product brief (and this is from the Just Flight website):

Highly detailed exterior model featuring boarding stairs, service vehicles and other advanced animations
High-quality interactive 3D virtual cockpit (VC)
Highly detailed authentic liveries
High quality sound set Accurate flight dynamics, based on real-world data and tested by real-world pilots

and the way the product was presented. I really took an issue with that, as what was presented, did not corroborate with my idea of a highly detailed authentic livery, or the quality I normally associate with payware.

I do not have any issues with Just Flight itself, and I'm not on any kind of campaign against its products. This I want to make clear.

However, what was said afterwards by some people was unnecessary and hurtful in many ways. Right now I have a very short fuse, I'm literally working out of my sleeping bag on my computer with a cup of tea by my side (cup and saucer are not even mine!), that is when I'm not picking together the pieces of what was supposed to be my home. The past two months I've been in anything but my usual mindset due to all kinds of personal issues, which is probably why, in a rash moment, I deviated from my usual habit of PM'ing. With all regrettable results.
 
michael davies said:
Had to re-read the OP to make sure it didn't say Alphasim!.

Somethings just never change, I paid good cash to support the SoH server drive, I didn't pay to provide a platform for thread after thread of garbage by proclaimed experts, who probably haven't even purchased the products.

Enough already!.
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So what about my question about window refections? Was that bad to ask if someone could show me, as the official screen shots did not, if the windows had external textures? I support SOH so i do have an independent forum to ask fellow simmers to give their reactions to a product other than on the dev's own forums. Also i see that devs generally allow the negative comments on their own forums that appear here.

One thing i will say. Since coming to SOH i have spent more, not less, on FSX addon products!!! Im only put off perhaps 2 in 10 released products from reviews from our friends gathered here. Guys i thank you for your honest views and observations.
 
I haven't bought this aircraft yet, so all observations are from the screenshots. I'm also a wannabe modeller who's spent an obscene amount of time trying to learn this trade. Furthermore, I'm a stickler for details, accuracy, nitpicking.

Baz, that's a beautiful model! :applause::applause::applause: I love the sheer amount of detail I see in the VC, I'm always hugely impressed by accurate undercarriage, cooling gills, exhaust details, smooth modelling and FSX's bump mapping done well. I hope I can find some cash soon to enjoy the textures full size, the systems modelling, the FM and the sounds.

More power to your elbow! :icon29:
 
Well I must say that I am very disappointed.

I started this thread to announce that the DC-6B had been released by Just Flight. What annoys me is the fact that a couple of people who have no involvement with FSX (they only fly FS9) have hijacked this thread and turned it into a slanging match. Maybe this is because the aircraft was developed for FSX and not FS9.

Bazz has been through a lot in the last year having resureccted his business from the disaster of the Queensland when the building he was housed in was undeer water for several days. Imagine the damage to the computers and the effort of replacing them. Then to be able to come back and produce such a great model. Yes another company is producing a copy-cat aircraft and probably at a much higher price and I don't think the quality of their aircraft will be any better than than the JF model.

Roger, I think this thread has now run its course and if left open it will only just be a slanging thread and as the originator of the thread I ask you or another mod to please close it immediately.
 
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