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Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.
Just Flight DC-6B released
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delta_lima
Charter Member 2015
Why close a thread that started well? We do this over and over, and we seem to not learn our lessons from the last time it happened.
Closing threads only causes gripes to be taken to yet another thread, and the cycle continues - we've all seen this. It's no deterrent to the people who engage in inane, OT, hubris - irrespective of which "side" of the issue they're on. Better that the message be that SOH will be not be held hostage to OT threadjacking.
My vote is to scrub the emotional/personal rubbish, sort out whomever needs sorting, and keep the thread on focus. There has been some good explanatory content relevant to the product in question. More importantly, it was well subject-labelled, so it'll allow for easy searching for future recall.
To all who actually contributed to helping us evaluate the merits and details of this package with respectful, thoughtful, factual analysis - my sincerest thanks. That's what SOH needs, and that's what SOH should strive to preserve. A good-looking project Baz - and thanks for your hard work. Looking forward to your future work.
DL
Closing threads only causes gripes to be taken to yet another thread, and the cycle continues - we've all seen this. It's no deterrent to the people who engage in inane, OT, hubris - irrespective of which "side" of the issue they're on. Better that the message be that SOH will be not be held hostage to OT threadjacking.
My vote is to scrub the emotional/personal rubbish, sort out whomever needs sorting, and keep the thread on focus. There has been some good explanatory content relevant to the product in question. More importantly, it was well subject-labelled, so it'll allow for easy searching for future recall.
To all who actually contributed to helping us evaluate the merits and details of this package with respectful, thoughtful, factual analysis - my sincerest thanks. That's what SOH needs, and that's what SOH should strive to preserve. A good-looking project Baz - and thanks for your hard work. Looking forward to your future work.
DL
gradyhappyg
Charter Member
Yea not really fair to JF to close the thread because of a few negative comments.
I got the plane and think it's just fine.
So did many others.
Now if some of the more experienced painters would do a Piedmont Airlines skin I promise I won't complain about it.
I would do it but..........the paintkits a lil above this rookie painters head.
I got the plane and think it's just fine.
So did many others.
Now if some of the more experienced painters would do a Piedmont Airlines skin I promise I won't complain about it.
I would do it but..........the paintkits a lil above this rookie painters head.
delta_lima
Charter Member 2015
Much appreciated. Not only for sake of the vendor (itself a valid legitimate reason) but also for affirming the values of the majority of our members.
Back on topic. Is there a listing of what liveries are included? Was hoping for the pre-jet Pan Am livery, as that was worn overwhelmingly longer than the included scheme. That said, I'm happy that there at least is a PAA scheme. Glad the big spinner was included - I like them so much better than the smaller spinners ... though for accuracy sake, both were used, depending on the airline and period, and so it was good that Baz modelled both.
Finally, for those who also purchased the JF Constellation - are FPS better, equal or slower? Not a factor for some folks - but I have a slow PC.
Hoping some more repainters take an interest in this model. I'm hoping for Swissair and SAS - but there are many lovely 50s and 60s schemes out there.
Back on topic. Is there a listing of what liveries are included? Was hoping for the pre-jet Pan Am livery, as that was worn overwhelmingly longer than the included scheme. That said, I'm happy that there at least is a PAA scheme. Glad the big spinner was included - I like them so much better than the smaller spinners ... though for accuracy sake, both were used, depending on the airline and period, and so it was good that Baz modelled both.
Finally, for those who also purchased the JF Constellation - are FPS better, equal or slower? Not a factor for some folks - but I have a slow PC.
Hoping some more repainters take an interest in this model. I'm hoping for Swissair and SAS - but there are many lovely 50s and 60s schemes out there.
michael davies
Charter Member 2012
Roger, please be so kind to close my account and remove items from download library, seems some have very short memories.
Sincerely Michael
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
WHY do i show up too late
if ya gota complaint come sit with mein a dark room in a nursing home sitting in a wheelchairtake a number get in line
yes this could have been dealt with in a lot more personable way AICH
strykerpsg
SOH-CM-2023
Holy cow, another one or is he joking? I missed something somewhere in this thread.
Matt
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Were there not enough previews out & screenshots released prior to purchase :ques:
Whatever happened to "if you don't like what you see, don't buy it"..:ques:
Whatever happened to "if you don't like what you see, don't buy it"..:ques:
shackleton_boy
Charter Member
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} </style> <![endif]--> Gents (not sure if we have a lady here?),
I have been reading this thread with some interest since it became obvious that it will end in the normal handbag-slinging match, which has become the norm here on SOH. I have to admit I am deeply disappointed in the way the moderators and admins team handled this thread. There seems to be an unwillingness to separate “friends” from the moderation job. Some members who are not even on the moderation team decided to act as if they are mods. For this exact reason, I decided not to donate to the hosting server fundraising drive.
The moment money changes hands, regardless of if it being an online “friend” or “oh it’s one of us”, the gloves come off, a fact. Once you have created the hype and expectations you are required to provide a product of a certain standard as certain expectations have been created.
I wasn’t going to post anything negative after I bought it but the reactions on SOH has made it very clear that there needs to be a more balanced view out there.
If a client has bought a product and he/she is unhappy with it they have every right to complain in open an open forum. A member even went as far as to make a schematic drawing to show where the errors are and how to correct it. This product has been marketed on the JF website as the best thing since sliced bread. I am sorry to say it is not. Most of the switches do not work, the VC is a little cartoonish w.r.t the texturing, the landing lights animation is extremely fast etc. etc. etc.
Developers like Carenado and Realair (I am not talking about PMDG as they are in a class of their own) has set the bar very high. Sure the Carenado flight models are not always spot on but their modelling is superb.
Anyway – that is just my 2 cents worth.
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mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} </style> <![endif]--> Gents (not sure if we have a lady here?),I have been reading this thread with some interest since it became obvious that it will end in the normal handbag-slinging match, which has become the norm here on SOH. I have to admit I am deeply disappointed in the way the moderators and admins team handled this thread. There seems to be an unwillingness to separate “friends” from the moderation job. Some members who are not even on the moderation team decided to act as if they are mods. For this exact reason, I decided not to donate to the hosting server fundraising drive.
The moment money changes hands, regardless of if it being an online “friend” or “oh it’s one of us”, the gloves come off, a fact. Once you have created the hype and expectations you are required to provide a product of a certain standard as certain expectations have been created.
I wasn’t going to post anything negative after I bought it but the reactions on SOH has made it very clear that there needs to be a more balanced view out there.
If a client has bought a product and he/she is unhappy with it they have every right to complain in open an open forum. A member even went as far as to make a schematic drawing to show where the errors are and how to correct it. This product has been marketed on the JF website as the best thing since sliced bread. I am sorry to say it is not. Most of the switches do not work, the VC is a little cartoonish w.r.t the texturing, the landing lights animation is extremely fast etc. etc. etc.
Developers like Carenado and Realair (I am not talking about PMDG as they are in a class of their own) has set the bar very high. Sure the Carenado flight models are not always spot on but their modelling is superb.
Anyway – that is just my 2 cents worth.
Could we please get back to some positive aspects regarding the DC6. This is a good thread for evaluation and I believe that was the original purpose. Those that have purchase this great aircraft, could you please post more screen shots to help those making a decision. Those that don't want to purchase please visit another thread with another topic. As Panther mentions above, "if you don't like what you see", move on.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
If you look at simming as a whole,
I'm just glad Microsoft has stayed the course (whether you like Flight or not) since pretty much everyone else has dropped off the face of the planet in terms of flight simming.......No more Sierra, Microprose, Janes, Dynamix, ....
And there was the Mike Stone saga that IMHO, was simply unbelieveable....
Point is: When the freeware folks are driven away, there is a problem.
I'm just glad Microsoft has stayed the course (whether you like Flight or not) since pretty much everyone else has dropped off the face of the planet in terms of flight simming.......No more Sierra, Microprose, Janes, Dynamix, ....
And there was the Mike Stone saga that IMHO, was simply unbelieveable....
Point is: When the freeware folks are driven away, there is a problem.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Forgot to add one last thing per payware....
There is a bit of "Darwinism" in the FS community......Some of the "sub-par" payware products that I have in my "archives" are from developers who are non-existent. Yes there is an order (or tier) to things in our FS-land and we all know roughly what it is. If it's from Just Flight, I know pretty much what I'm going to get. If it's from RealAirSimulations, I know pretty much what to expect.
Problem with being online is delivery of the message. All of us (including) myself have screwed this up at one point or another. And it is precisely because of the lack audio cues and body language (that we lack online) that we should be a bit more thorough in how we present ourselves. This might help a lot.:mixedsmi:
Important thing is to have fun!
There is a bit of "Darwinism" in the FS community......Some of the "sub-par" payware products that I have in my "archives" are from developers who are non-existent. Yes there is an order (or tier) to things in our FS-land and we all know roughly what it is. If it's from Just Flight, I know pretty much what I'm going to get. If it's from RealAirSimulations, I know pretty much what to expect.
Problem with being online is delivery of the message. All of us (including) myself have screwed this up at one point or another. And it is precisely because of the lack audio cues and body language (that we lack online) that we should be a bit more thorough in how we present ourselves. This might help a lot.:mixedsmi:
Important thing is to have fun!
AussieMan
SOH Staff .."Bartender"
Mods, once again I am asking you to get this thread back to what I intended it to be. A thread notifying peoplke of the release of this great aeroplane. If you cannot do this then please unsticky it, close it or DELETE it.
In future If I get an email about a product release and it hasn't been posted here then I will quietly buy the product and keep my mouth shut. I have stopped posting on the ORBX forums for the same reason. I am very disappointed at the way this thread has gone south and the slack attitude of the mods by allowing it to remain open for more abuse.
In future If I get an email about a product release and it hasn't been posted here then I will quietly buy the product and keep my mouth shut. I have stopped posting on the ORBX forums for the same reason. I am very disappointed at the way this thread has gone south and the slack attitude of the mods by allowing it to remain open for more abuse.
For me, flight simulation is foremost immersion, fun and a hobby. And I`m having a helluva fun with the DC-6 from Just Flight 
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strykerpsg
SOH-CM-2023
There was mention of an expansion pack....didn't see it at Just Flight. Anyone know what it will contain?
Matt
Disregard, found it. Looked over it the first time.
http://justflight.com/developProduct.asp?pid=934
Matt
Disregard, found it. Looked over it the first time.
http://justflight.com/developProduct.asp?pid=934
shackleton_boy
Charter Member
Pat,
I am sorry to say but every consumer has the right to slate/complain about a product they have spent money on and feel that it doesn't live up to what was promised. Irrespective of why you opened the thread it will be used by users for various issues with regards to the JF DC6. At the moment the biggest issue for some users is the quality of the VC and some of the textures. For me the biggest issue is lack of functionality on most of the switches etc. Perhaps Panther (we havent seen a good "panthering" screen shot in a while) is right - talk with your wallet?
I am sorry to say but every consumer has the right to slate/complain about a product they have spent money on and feel that it doesn't live up to what was promised. Irrespective of why you opened the thread it will be used by users for various issues with regards to the JF DC6. At the moment the biggest issue for some users is the quality of the VC and some of the textures. For me the biggest issue is lack of functionality on most of the switches etc. Perhaps Panther (we havent seen a good "panthering" screen shot in a while) is right - talk with your wallet?
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