On my setup I have Red and Green lights with HDR ON. If I turn HDR OFF I only have white lights...go figure.
Garry
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Manfred's C-47 with PBR
- Thread starter jankees
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On my setup I have Red and Green lights with HDR ON. If I turn HDR OFF I only have white lights...go figure.
Garry
Mach3DS
Charter Member
Jankees, PBR is a new skillset to learn. One thing, is to understand what actually does what in the texture files, and how the Albedo (diffuse) map interacts with the Roughness Metallic files.
P3D has it setup differently than DCS, but it still applies. The Albedo color needs to be MUCH MUCH lighter than anything is FSX or non PBR P3D ever did. The brightness of the color plays a part in it's luminosity in terms of PBR bloom. The problem I see most, is that people will confuse the SMOOTHNESS, with the METALNESS. While BOTH work together to create a "Metallic" surface, increasing the Smoothness without increasing the Dielectric component usually results in something looking "Wet" or glossy. The other HUGE consideration with PBR in P3D, is that at least to my eye, appears to not use the environment very well as the reflection. It's too washed out. In order to get a convincing Aircraft aluminum, you need to have bright, direct sunlight, with no clouds, and a HIGH contrast sky color, like very dark blue. Otherwise, at least to my eyes, the PBR is not rendered well in low lighting conditions.
You can see in the images above, that the contrast is much better. This was a significant change from the actual color in the FSX/P3D (non PBR) version of the XF92 skin. In previous non-PBR the skin tone was actually about 50% brightness dark grey #808080 RGB. This image is nearing the white range in terms of Albedo color. Perhaps this has changed in v5, but it doesn't appear so?
These are images below are some paints I've done for DCS, used for comparison for PBR. But it illustrates better how a rendering engine uses PBR. Unless the paint is glossy with some kind of clear coat, the smoothness required is much lower. I use ~50% brightness in the Green channel for paint. The Blue channel I use somewhere near almost black (#191919) for paint that is a non conductive insulator.
P3D has it setup differently than DCS, but it still applies. The Albedo color needs to be MUCH MUCH lighter than anything is FSX or non PBR P3D ever did. The brightness of the color plays a part in it's luminosity in terms of PBR bloom. The problem I see most, is that people will confuse the SMOOTHNESS, with the METALNESS. While BOTH work together to create a "Metallic" surface, increasing the Smoothness without increasing the Dielectric component usually results in something looking "Wet" or glossy. The other HUGE consideration with PBR in P3D, is that at least to my eye, appears to not use the environment very well as the reflection. It's too washed out. In order to get a convincing Aircraft aluminum, you need to have bright, direct sunlight, with no clouds, and a HIGH contrast sky color, like very dark blue. Otherwise, at least to my eyes, the PBR is not rendered well in low lighting conditions.
You can see in the images above, that the contrast is much better. This was a significant change from the actual color in the FSX/P3D (non PBR) version of the XF92 skin. In previous non-PBR the skin tone was actually about 50% brightness dark grey #808080 RGB. This image is nearing the white range in terms of Albedo color. Perhaps this has changed in v5, but it doesn't appear so?
These are images below are some paints I've done for DCS, used for comparison for PBR. But it illustrates better how a rendering engine uses PBR. Unless the paint is glossy with some kind of clear coat, the smoothness required is much lower. I use ~50% brightness in the Green channel for paint. The Blue channel I use somewhere near almost black (#191919) for paint that is a non conductive insulator.
YoYo
SOH-CM-2023
Manfred, maybe textures (PBR) are fine just MDL must be updated only, check this post of TiAr http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...also-returns?p=1220539&viewfull=1#post1220539 .
@Yoyo: Seen this, and easily tested. Run the model (PBR C-47 if you want) through MCX with the new v5 option set up, recompile, set the Blue channel to whichever shade of grey (note LM's reply to our thread there - zilch), and see if it makes any difference. I don't have v5 yet, so can't tell. To be honest, I don't expect much of a change, so won't bother at this time. Others might try it though.
BTW on the claim that the v5 ImageTool is necessary for PBR, if you handle the metallic channels via Photoshop and the Nvidia plugin, there is no need to use ImageTool, new or old. Bumps, or 'normals' as they are now called, may be a different matter.
BTW on the claim that the v5 ImageTool is necessary for PBR, if you handle the metallic channels via Photoshop and the Nvidia plugin, there is no need to use ImageTool, new or old. Bumps, or 'normals' as they are now called, may be a different matter.
YoYo
SOH-CM-2023
My knowladge about MCX isnt very well, Im noob here
but I can try, what can I do to set up this for v5 option? Btw. My MCX is 1.4.0.0. version.
mgr
SOH-CM-2023
Hi Manfred,
Does not work on my side i'm afraid.
Do have another solution though
Just add these extra lights to the aircraft.cfg at the [lights] section, added two on each side:
light.6 = 3, -27.48, -47.25, 1.10, fx_navred ,
light.7 = 3, -27.48, 47.25, 1.10, fx_navgre ,
light.8 = 3, -27.52, -47.25, 1.10, fx_navred ,
light.9 = 3, -27.52, 47.25, 1.10, fx_navgre ,
Marcel
Does not work on my side i'm afraid.
Do have another solution though
Just add these extra lights to the aircraft.cfg at the [lights] section, added two on each side:light.6 = 3, -27.48, -47.25, 1.10, fx_navred ,
light.7 = 3, -27.48, 47.25, 1.10, fx_navgre ,
light.8 = 3, -27.52, -47.25, 1.10, fx_navred ,
light.9 = 3, -27.52, 47.25, 1.10, fx_navgre ,
Marcel
My knowladge about MCX isnt very well, Im noob here
Btw. My MCX is 1.4.0.0. version.
1. MCX 1.4. is correct, make sure it's the very latest (April 2020). It gets updated frequently.
2. Download and install the v5 SDK from LM.
3. In MCX options, set up the paths pointing to the SDK.
4. Load the model. In MCX Material Editor, set material type to PBR Materials.
5. Open the first _albedo material. Set the reflectance switch to TRUE. Possibly repeat for the second _albedo, or keep the second as is, to see the difference.
6. Export the model as P3d v4.4+
7. Tweak the Blue channel of the _metallic texture trying various shades of grey.
8. Check in sim. Restart the sim after each texture/model change.
Good luck!
cavaricooper
SOH-CM-2023
Hi Manfred,
Does not work on my side i'm afraid.
Do have another solution though
light.6 = 3, -27.48, -47.25, 1.10, fx_navred ,
light.7 = 3, -27.48, 47.25, 1.10, fx_navgre ,
light.8 = 3, -27.52, -47.25, 1.10, fx_navred ,
light.9 = 3, -27.52, 47.25, 1.10, fx_navgre ,
Marcel
Marcel-
THANKS for that! It works. There were already entries for 6, 7, 8, and 9 so I just added these below. Is there a way to get the light glow SIZE reduced? I thought I remembered something about that as well...
C
cavaricooper
SOH-CM-2023
Can anyone shed light on this folder? I did put it in the C-47 PBR folder, but looking at the .cfg I'm not sure I see any reference to it...
Ta- C
mgr
SOH-CM-2023
Hi,
It's Gordon's VC repaint, so his repaints refer to it, example:
[fltsim]
fallback.1=..\texture.dgint
fallback.2=..\..\..\..\Scenery\Global\texture
fallback.3=..\..\..\..\..\..\Scenery\Global\texture
Regards,
Marcel
It's Gordon's VC repaint, so his repaints refer to it, example:
[fltsim]
fallback.1=..\texture.dgint
fallback.2=..\..\..\..\Scenery\Global\texture
fallback.3=..\..\..\..\..\..\Scenery\Global\texture
Regards,
Marcel
gray eagle
SOH-CM-2025
gray eagle
SOH-CM-2025
Thanks very much for re-uploading the patch file . . .
I'm a little late to the show, but what does that patch do? I installed the PBR recently and
wonder if this something that wasn't fixed in the later release of the PBR C-47?