Martin Mariner

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DaveWG:

Thank You. I did not scroll to the bottom of the page and therefore did not realize there was a 2nd box. Somewhat strange that there were different search results from both boxes.
 
Hi Maty,

Looks great! As the Dutch Naval Air Force flew them in our former colony New Guinea I'm always interested in that plane, for an ex-Mariner pilot has been a colleague during the time I worked for Fokker Aircraft Company.

If you google: "https://www.google.nl/#q=MLD+Martin+Mariner" you may find some interesting links, if you need translation let me know. It was not a plane that has brought much luck, most of them crashed, due to the fact that it was too heavy (the landinggear) and/or underpowered.

hertzie.

Hertzie, I did and oddly, most planes seem to have the shorter gear covers and late radar pod, like 122071. Was this production block related? Perhaps a field modification?
https://modelbrouwers.nl/media/albums/287/10314/Martin-P5M-Mariner.jpg

Do you think your colleague would mind talking to me about his plane? You know, I am pretty talented when it comes to skins and liveries, I could probably make his plane. On a side note, the Mariner does look very good in silver and black. Nice choice of paintscheme by the Dutch Navy.
 
I know.

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I know??? Ha!!! How about something like that:

"Oh, I'm awfully sorry. I'm already spoken for by a rich, old widow from Crabapple Cove, Maine".


Jokes aside, this is a great thread to follow. The C-47 VC, the P-39, the C-119, and probably a few others my brain can't come up with now. What I particularly like is that you do it in Blender, I think that's a first around here for such a project. I made some static scenery objects in Blender a few years ago, just to check it as an alternative to 3dsmax. I couldn't really adapt to it, but that's just me. Maybe the step from one weirdness to another was too big.


Cheers,
Mark
 
Oh thanks for pointing this out, Joseph. Seems I missed those, which is no wonder, for I'm not so much into WW1 aircraft. Anyway, great to see that there are serious alternatives to $$$ 3dsmax !
 
Glad to see this. My Dad was an aviation machinist mate assigned to Fleet Air Wing 3 at NAS Coco Solo, CZ during the war. He remembered that mostly he saw PBM-3s (commented on the hassle of putting the wheels on). Besides being at Coco Solo he had to spend time in the USS Ablemarle AV-5 (they called her "Able Mable"). Also on a det to Seymour Is in Galapagos Islands.

So I am interested to see what you end up. There seems to be so much more attention to the PBYs, but per my Dad those were considered "old" and not really up to the task. I have the old Alphasim model from FS-9 days. Never got it work right in FSX.

scott s.
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Glad to see this. My Dad was an aviation machinist mate assigned to Fleet Air Wing 3 at NAS Coco Solo, CZ during the war. He remembered that mostly he saw PBM-3s (commented on the hassle of putting the wheels on). Besides being at Coco Solo he had to spend time in the USS Ablemarle AV-5 (they called her "Able Mable"). Also on a det to Seymour Is in Galapagos Islands.

So I am interested to see what you end up. There seems to be so much more attention to the PBYs, but per my Dad those were considered "old" and not really up to the task. I have the old Alphasim model from FS-9 days. Never got it work right in FSX.

scott s.
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There are updated versions for it, even one that adds opening bomb bays. Regardless, Alphasim never made a PBM-3S. Honestly, I don't think I'll have a hard time making it 122071 had so many changes done that it basically became a PBM-5S with wheels, All I'll need is to re-size the windows at the tail, rework the cockpit and add replace the engine & cowling. Still, if you have any more stories about your dad's days with the PBM-3S's, I'd love to hear about it. I agree with your dad about the PBY, especially if you consider the PBM had twice the bombload and better looks.
 
Maty, you should check with the Emil Buehler Library at the National Naval Aviation Museum:
library.research@smtp.cnet.navy.mil
They may have useful details on the PBM-1 and -5, including cockpit photos. There are 55 photos and other items that come up when you do a search for "PBM Mariner" on the library page of the museum website:
http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/education/emil-buehler-library/

So the e-mail failed to send, just like when I tried e-mailing the Pima Air & Space Museum. What do I do now?
 
Wow!

You have made a lot of progress on that. And the work shows.

The Blender -> FSX Workflow is actually becoming one of the most straightforward. You really need to take a look at the Blender forum at fsdeveloper.

There's a toolset, that is incorporated as an add-on for Blender. From that point, all of your UV/Textures, Animations, everything can be exported directly to an FSX model file. Including the interior/virtual cockpit, once you get there.

Good luck!

It's good to see another Blender artist working for FSX.

- Joseph

I will most definitely need help with animations, UV and actually splitting the 3d model. I made it (And am still making it) for BeamNG.drive first, so it currently splits into almost all the parts shown below, with the exception of the trim tabs, wingtips and all the separate engine parts. Plus each horizontal stabilizer and vertical stabilizer is its own piece.
 
Questions are welcome ;-) Model looks nice!

Thanks, man. For now, my only question isn't really regarding FSX importing, but rather about the Curtiss Electric propeller. It seems to have a split about 1/3 of the way through the blade. Does anyone know whether the whole blade changes pitch or just the outer part does?
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Those are more aerodynamic sleeves that cover the circular shape of the inner portion of the blade. They are permanently fastened to the blade and rotate with the blade as one.
 
I might add that the sleeves were added to the existing blades to increase cooling airflow into the narrowed engine nacelles which were narrowed to reduce drag.
 
I might add that the sleeves were added to the existing blades to increase cooling airflow into the narrowed engine nacelles which were narrowed to reduce drag.
You mean the cowlings, not the nacelles, right? Yeah, they certainly are narrower. I never gave any thought as to why, since plane like the B-25 had the same type of cowling. I do know it was made longer to fit the new engine.
 
Alright, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that my friend PA_Jeromino managed to hook me up with a near perfect paddle-bladed Hamilton Standard propeller, made my Hueyman (who I wasn't able to reach), and it's just breathtaking. It was made for a B-17, but after inspecting the few reference pictures I had they seem to be identical (except for size, the PBM's is bigger).
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The bad news. First off, my attempts to make a Curtiss propeller by modifying the Hamilton proved less than successful for the blades, which have very diffferent shapes. Secondly, I learned that the Curtiss propeller is a Constant-Speed model, and despite reading about these a lot I'm no closer to understanding how a pilot controls those. The PBM-5 flight manual mentions both a propeller selector (Manual or Auto) and a propeller governor for each one, and says to keep the pitch at "low" for engine start-up, but that's about all it says. There is no mention of the ones equipped with Hamilton Standard blades, and I'm not sure how many used it.

P.S. Does anyone have a Curtiss Electric 4-bladed propeller I can borrow? If not, can anyone help me make one?
 

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As I was just starting on the interior I realised how off the external model was. Right now I'm trying my best to get the shapes right.
 
Constant speed propellers are controlled using the propeller lever and the throttle lever. Typically the prop sets the RPM of the propeller and the throttle sets the engine manifold pressure. The propeller then automatically adjusts itself to maintain a constant RPM. For one of the (real) aircraft we had a typical setting was 2500 RPM and 25" of manifold pressure as an example, you'd adjust the two controls to maintain that.
 
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