Martin Mariner

Great looking work et awesome project, Maty :encouragement:

Payware or freeware - does it really matter with so much serious work going on in there?

The willingness to go back to scratch on items such as the props you mentioned, appears to separate the men from the boys.
Don't let yourself be 'rushed'.

Bravo, Sir!

Wish I could help you out with the nose gear mechanism, but I'm sure all your research will pay off.
 
Great looking work et awesome project, Maty :encouragement:

Payware or freeware - does it really matter with so much serious work going on in there?

The willingness to go back to scratch on items such as the props you mentioned, appears to separate the men from the boys.
Don't let yourself be 'rushed'.

Bravo, Sir!

Wish I could help you out with the nose gear mechanism, but I'm sure all your research will pay off.

nigel :encouragement:
 
Great looking work et awesome project, Maty :encouragement:

Payware or freeware - does it really matter with so much serious work going on in there?

The willingness to go back to scratch on items such as the props you mentioned, appears to separate the men from the boys.
Don't let yourself be 'rushed'.

Bravo, Sir!

Wish I could help you out with the nose gear mechanism, but I'm sure all your research will pay off.

Glad you think so. However, with the nose gear so far I doubt I'll find what I'm looking for, as there were only 40 planes equipped with the amphibious gear, 4 being conversions. As such, flight manuals and schematics are extremely hard to come by.
 
Just gonna leave a list of reference that would be helpful (If anyone finds it or has it lying around):
-Any interior pictures of the PBM-1, PBM-3C/D/S or PBM-5/5G/5S/5S-2;
-Any interior pictures taken inside 122071's main hull, aft hull and tail section;
-Flight manual for the PBM-1, PBM-3C/D/S or PBM-5S/5a;
-Any article or schematic of the PBM-1 or PBM-5a;
-Any story involving a PBM;
-Any advice/information on the PBM from personal experience.

For now, I'm facing a nightmare (No pun intended) solidifying the interior.
 
Just gonna leave a list of reference that would be helpful (If anyone finds it or has it lying around):
-Any interior pictures of the PBM-1, PBM-3C/D/S or PBM-5/5G/5S/5S-2;
-Any interior pictures taken inside 122071's main hull, aft hull and tail section;
-Flight manual for the PBM-1, PBM-3C/D/S or PBM-5S/5a;
-Any article or schematic of the PBM-1 or PBM-5a;
-Any story involving a PBM;
-Any advice/information on the PBM from personal experience.

For now, I'm facing a nightmare (No pun intended) solidifying the interior.

PBM-5A Mariner Project Dead????
 
PBM-5A Mariner When Release date??
When it's finished. I have no way of knowing how long that will take, this is my first mod, and I'm still at the 3d modelling stage. There are still the whole "getting it in game" and "getting it to behave like the real thing" stages after that.
 
Does anyone know how the nose gear works? From what I understand, it's supposed to just rotate backwards into the compartment, but it doesn't fit when the suspension's fully extended, unless pulled forwards (Then it fits perfectly). I have no way of proving or disproving this theory, does anyone?

Maty,

Based on these pics (even though the oleos are compressed) I see no issue with the gear folding rearwards.

The side view shows a decent length of door opening.
As you can see by the attached pics, the pivot point is just above the door opening making for a very short swing back.
How much oleo extension did you model? My guess is that the oleo maximum animated movement is about 1/2 the height of the tire.
 

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Maty,

Based on these pics (even though the oleos are compressed) I see no issue with the gear folding rearwards.

The side view shows a decent length of door opening.
As you can see by the attached pics, the pivot point is just above the door opening making for a very short swing back.
How much oleo extension did you model? My guess is that the oleo maximum animated movement is about 1/2 the height of the tire.
Glad you're helping me out. Did not know those were called oleos. I do think I exaggerated their length, but only because pictures of the plane post take off seem to show them extending quite a lot:
mariner2.jpg


Edit: I found out what the problem was, turns out I hadn't opened the gear doors enough, and they were my reference point.
 
Glad you're helping me out. Did not know those were called oleos. I do think I exaggerated their length, but only because pictures of the plane post take off seem to show them extending quite a lot:
mariner2.jpg


Edit: I found out what the problem was, turns out I hadn't opened the gear doors enough, and they were my reference point.

Oh, I see ...
 
So I'd say I finished the nose section of the transport version (No bombsight or bombing equipment), but no matter what I do I just can't get it to look right. And it's not even in a small way, the whole thing just doesn't look right and I don't know why. I'm gonna see if I can find some cross sections, but otherwise I think I'll come back to it later and just go ahead with the cockpit, which does loo right.
 
So I'd say I finished the nose section of the transport version (No bombsight or bombing equipment), but no matter what I do I just can't get it to look right. And it's not even in a small way, the whole thing just doesn't look right and I don't know why. I'm gonna see if I can find some cross sections, but otherwise I think I'll come back to it later and just go ahead with the cockpit, which does loo right.

Getting the "face" to look right is absolutely essential and one of the hardest things to do sometimes.

It is not uncommon for me to invest 30-60 hours just on the nose and cockpit windows areas. Without cross sections, it can be tougher. Back in 2005 I worked on the Howard 500 cockpit windshield and side glass frames for 8 weeks as I had no side views or cross sections; just lots of reference photos.

If the face of the aircraft is not right, it detracts from the rest, that's for sure. Sometimes, you just have to walk away from it as you are doing, and revisit another day. You will get there. Patience, tenacity, dogged-determination, and fresh eyes will help.
 
So I'd say I finished the nose section of the transport version (No bombsight or bombing equipment), but no matter what I do I just can't get it to look right. And it's not even in a small way, the whole thing just doesn't look right and I don't know why. I'm gonna see if I can find some cross sections, but otherwise I think I'll come back to it later and just go ahead with the cockpit, which does loo right.

Sharp and beautiful Can't wait !! :applause::encouragement::applause:
 
Getting the "face" to look right is absolutely essential and one of the hardest things to do sometimes.

It is not uncommon for me to invest 30-60 hours just on the nose and cockpit windows areas. Without cross sections, it can be tougher. Back in 2005 I worked on the Howard 500 cockpit windshield and side glass frames for 8 weeks as I had no side views or cross sections; just lots of reference photos.

If the face of the aircraft is not right, it detracts from the rest, that's for sure. Sometimes, you just have to walk away from it as you are doing, and revisit another day. You will get there. Patience, tenacity, dogged-determination, and fresh eyes will help.
Honestly, the whole thing just frustrates me a lot due to lack of reliable reference. Does anyone in this forum live near Tucson and if so, is anyone willing to take a few pictures of the inside for me? Cause I tried contacting the museum, and I tried contacting the Navy library mentioned in this thread, and I even tried contacting the guy who designed Minicraft's 1/72 scale model, since he has a 3d model of it, but every single time the e-mail fails to send. Is it a browser related problem? Cause I'm using chrome and whenever there's a link to send an e-mail it doesn't work and I jsut copy the e-mail address and do it through gmail.
 
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