Messerschmitt Bf 109G Trainer
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Bf-109 G-12
Godd morning every one,
hope that you find the version that matches you best.
Early this morning I uploaded a little fix for the wartime version.
So now when you have chossen the war time version and you switch to the 2D panels you will sit at the rear cockpit first and fly her as instructor.
Best Regards
and
Happy landings
Yours
Michael Vader
Godd morning every one,
hope that you find the version that matches you best.
Early this morning I uploaded a little fix for the wartime version.
So now when you have chossen the war time version and you switch to the 2D panels you will sit at the rear cockpit first and fly her as instructor.
Best Regards
and
Happy landings
Yours
Michael Vader
Michael: The war time rear cockpit isn't right at all. Here is a pic that show some of the rear panel area.
https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G...-109G12-JG105-Yellow-242-Germany-1945-01.html
https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G...-109G12-JG105-Yellow-242-Germany-1945-01.html
michaelvader
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Bf-109 G-12 rear cockpit
Good morning Allen,
Thank you for your advice
I have also a cockpit profile about the panel what can be seen on the picture.
And when "yellow 27" was rebuild they choose this layout.
In a german book I found said that on some ones have been mounted dashboards of the
later 109 versions with the "Blindflugtafel" sadly it is only mentionned that the reason was
that the dashboard was more complete and had a Variometer (vsi) which would be more
"confortable" for the instructor.
Also Eric Brown spoke about a periscope - I never saw one on any picture nore mentionned as only by Eric Brown
So hmmm what should I do?
Post a new version of the wartime panel but with the rear layout of Yellow 27?
Or let the things as they are?
Seen the few downloads of my version - - -
Best Regards
Michael Vader
Good morning Allen,
Thank you for your advice
I have also a cockpit profile about the panel what can be seen on the picture.
And when "yellow 27" was rebuild they choose this layout.
In a german book I found said that on some ones have been mounted dashboards of the
later 109 versions with the "Blindflugtafel" sadly it is only mentionned that the reason was
that the dashboard was more complete and had a Variometer (vsi) which would be more
"confortable" for the instructor.
Also Eric Brown spoke about a periscope - I never saw one on any picture nore mentionned as only by Eric Brown
So hmmm what should I do?
Post a new version of the wartime panel but with the rear layout of Yellow 27?
Or let the things as they are?
Seen the few downloads of my version - - -
Best Regards
Michael Vader
michaelvader
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Good morning friends
Here just a photo of a rear cockpit very close to the oneas I did .
It is from a Buchon
Best regards
Yours
Michael Vader
Here just a photo of a rear cockpit very close to the oneas I did .
It is from a Buchon
Best regards
Yours
Michael Vader
michaelvader
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Bf-109 G-12 1944 2D panel
Good morning,
Allen,
as announced in the mail here the panel as I have it now.
I hope I match what you wanted.
Otherwise the "worksop" is not closed LOL
Best Regards
Yours
Michael Vader
Good morning,
Allen,
as announced in the mail here the panel as I have it now.
I hope I match what you wanted.
Otherwise the "worksop" is not closed LOL
Best Regards
Yours
Michael Vader
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SOH-CM-2024
Just want to commend and thank both Allen and Michael for your work on this project. The rear virtual cockpit implementation is very nice. I am using Michael's upload of the WWII version, and it works well in FSX. This means that I can fly it in VR, which is very enjoyable. It is a worthy companion to the old Just Flight Spitfire T.9. I never expected to be able to fly a 109 from this perspective.
August
August
michaelvader
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Guten Morgen liebe Freunde
Good morning dear friends,
it is pleasant to read that my little contribuation is apreciated.
I also wait for the "smooth nose" model to correcct my D-FMGZ version.
A bit sad that it would be too much work to give her the actual Buchon nose.
But that Allen did this plane and will give us a newer version with the smooth nose
a great "thank you"!
I tried to make aproaches as Eric Brown did discribe, a bit hairy, I prefer to make a steep aproach by aiming the middle length of the runway and I perform more and more to make not "week-end" landings (friday - boum, saturday -boum, sunday boum and ouf)
Happy landings
Yours
Michael Vader
Good morning dear friends,
it is pleasant to read that my little contribuation is apreciated.
I also wait for the "smooth nose" model to correcct my D-FMGZ version.
A bit sad that it would be too much work to give her the actual Buchon nose.
But that Allen did this plane and will give us a newer version with the smooth nose
a great "thank you"!
I tried to make aproaches as Eric Brown did discribe, a bit hairy, I prefer to make a steep aproach by aiming the middle length of the runway and I perform more and more to make not "week-end" landings (friday - boum, saturday -boum, sunday boum and ouf)
Happy landings
Yours
Michael Vader
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Trainer
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category FS 2004 Military - Props
Description: This rebuild of the stock CFS3 Bf 109G-6 converted to a G-4 Two-Seat Trainer. The model is on the basic side as just has moving parts and working VC for front and rear. No LODs, breaking parts or mouse-able switches and levers. Flight Dynamics are originally by Captain Kurt done for the Team Daedalus Bf 109s. Includes gMax source. Paint is of a Bf 109 Belonging to the 5./JG 108 (ex I./JG 107). Borgond, Hungary Aug 1944.
To fly from rear seat edit the aircraft.cfg and change the eyepoints. Use tailook to put pilot model in the front seat when flying from rear seat. The rear seat view/eyepoints are in the aircraft.cfg but //-ed out. 2D rear seat panel is the "panel Rear Seat 2D Panel" folder.
To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Trainer
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category FS 2004 Military - Props
Description: This rebuild of the stock CFS3 Bf 109G-6 converted to a G-4 Two-Seat Trainer. The model is on the basic side as just has moving parts and working VC for front and rear. No LODs, breaking parts or mouse-able switches and levers. Flight Dynamics are originally by Captain Kurt done for the Team Daedalus Bf 109s. Includes gMax source. Paint is of a Bf 109 Belonging to the 5./JG 108 (ex I./JG 107). Borgond, Hungary Aug 1944.
To fly from rear seat edit the aircraft.cfg and change the eyepoints. Use tailook to put pilot model in the front seat when flying from rear seat. The rear seat view/eyepoints are in the aircraft.cfg but //-ed out. 2D rear seat panel is the "panel Rear Seat 2D Panel" folder.
To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Trainer
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.
The tall tail Bf109 "DF+CC" (White Bf 109 up thread). The drawing posted here and other profiles I have seen show it as G-10 or newer yet this flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/5235004932/in/album-72157631641614115/ has pic that say it is "DF+CC" but tail number is 61 and also gives W.Nr. 14123. The book "MESSERSCHMITT BF 109 PART 2, THE: Part 2: 'F' to 'K'" list W.Nr. 14123 as Bf 109G-1 that Emergency landed due to fuel shortage 1943.
Tall tails where not a thing tell late G-6...So is the listed W.Nr. wrong or did a G-1 survive as a G-12 and get fitted with a tall tail?
Tall tails where not a thing tell late G-6...So is the listed W.Nr. wrong or did a G-1 survive as a G-12 and get fitted with a tall tail?
michaelvader
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Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Trainer
Hallo Allen,
thank you for this new version.
Now yellow 27 has her gight nose as she should have.
To make the paint of yellow 27 "modern times" match the new model
was not as simple as I thought in the beginning LOL
I have with the first planes now also
Schwarze 41, in 1944 configuration with this panel
D-FMGZ in 2016 configuration with the cockpit config flown from the front seat.
Concerning the "DF+CC" she seems a to be a real "bizza":
a) front end of a G-10 with DB605 AS engine and fin from a later G-14 but short tailwheel
Also so U4 in the title seems mysterious for me
Too much work to make here with the "K series" front end and tall fin - simply to forget
What concerns her Werksnummer, perhaps it was a quiet older basic airframe to be reworked several times.
Thank you again
Best regards
Michael Vader
Hallo Allen,
thank you for this new version.
Now yellow 27 has her gight nose as she should have.
To make the paint of yellow 27 "modern times" match the new model
was not as simple as I thought in the beginning LOL
I have with the first planes now also
Schwarze 41, in 1944 configuration with this panel
D-FMGZ in 2016 configuration with the cockpit config flown from the front seat.
Concerning the "DF+CC" she seems a to be a real "bizza":
a) front end of a G-10 with DB605 AS engine and fin from a later G-14 but short tailwheel
Also so U4 in the title seems mysterious for me
Too much work to make here with the "K series" front end and tall fin - simply to forget
What concerns her Werksnummer, perhaps it was a quiet older basic airframe to be reworked several times.
Thank you again
Best regards
Michael Vader
With "DF+CC" I'm going to go out on a limb and lets say the flickr info is right an "DF+CC" was G-1. Maybe paint profile drawing are wrong with the engine and it was never fitted with the later wide G-10 front end but people assumed that "DF+CC" was G-10 or newer because of the tall tail. As for why the paint profiles have 81 yet the pic show 61, Maybe they had low res pic we haven't seen so the 6 looked like a 8?
Reading a bit here http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/techref/structures/tails/talltail.htm.
It seems like the tall tail could be fit to any G model by removing the the upper part of the Vertical Stabilizer and Rudder than putting on the new taller upper Vertical Stabilizer and new Rudder.
Also here is another tall tail G-12.(the rudder has been removed, the white square above the X is sky) The link and page says "White 27" yet it looks like a dark color 22
https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G...Bf-109G12-JG101-White-27-Germany-1945-02.html
Reading a bit here http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/techref/structures/tails/talltail.htm.
It seems like the tall tail could be fit to any G model by removing the the upper part of the Vertical Stabilizer and Rudder than putting on the new taller upper Vertical Stabilizer and new Rudder.
Also here is another tall tail G-12.(the rudder has been removed, the white square above the X is sky) The link and page says "White 27" yet it looks like a dark color 22
https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G...Bf-109G12-JG101-White-27-Germany-1945-02.html
michaelvader
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Good morning Allen
concerning "yellow 27" I' m a bit astonished about ASIBIZ
they call the bird "white 27" ex BJ+DZ but when you compare the white color on the cross
and the color of the number 27, it is clearly darker than the cross, so I tend to say that it is not a WHITE but perhaps yellow
27. On the otherhand I know MeierMotors very accurate when restauring birds, so if they have choosen to make her as yellew
27 this might be right.
I now the site of ASISBIZ.
Really very usefull, but there was also some times in the past where I remarked the comments not always to be exact.
I will certainly not blame them! It is really difficult to find the right colors from a black and white photo and with the
multitude of info they have sometimes there are an "oups"
Concerning the wooden tails when someone writes that the german industry did not want to make wooden parts of the plane it was NOT for strategic reason as the germans had enough material, sorry that is nonsense. Germany had a very big problem to have enough alloy.
So Kurt Tank had to try to use steel for the wings of the TA152. They tried out to make also wooden wings and tails for the Me-262.
Best known are also the wooden wings of the He 162. A reason also was that the wooden parts could be done by little factories with a non specialized workmansship you need for metal working.
The tail basis of the 109 in fact allowed to fit the little early fin and rudder than also the later tall fin and rudder.
Fin and rudder could be made of wood but also the complete tail.
In his first edition Albert Speer mention to use no more " strategic" materials but more use wood what was more disponible.
So on their trucks later apeared the "Eineitsführerhaus", easy to build, standard and made of wood. And last not least one need big tools and a lot of energy to work steel and especially alloy rather more than wood.
Germanys resources have been at the end when finally the third reich collapsed - mainly also due to the shortage of carburants they litteraly flyied "with the vapours of fuel"
Best Regards
Yours
Michael Vader
concerning "yellow 27" I' m a bit astonished about ASIBIZ
they call the bird "white 27" ex BJ+DZ but when you compare the white color on the cross
and the color of the number 27, it is clearly darker than the cross, so I tend to say that it is not a WHITE but perhaps yellow
27. On the otherhand I know MeierMotors very accurate when restauring birds, so if they have choosen to make her as yellew
27 this might be right.
I now the site of ASISBIZ.
Really very usefull, but there was also some times in the past where I remarked the comments not always to be exact.
I will certainly not blame them! It is really difficult to find the right colors from a black and white photo and with the
multitude of info they have sometimes there are an "oups"
Concerning the wooden tails when someone writes that the german industry did not want to make wooden parts of the plane it was NOT for strategic reason as the germans had enough material, sorry that is nonsense. Germany had a very big problem to have enough alloy.
So Kurt Tank had to try to use steel for the wings of the TA152. They tried out to make also wooden wings and tails for the Me-262.
Best known are also the wooden wings of the He 162. A reason also was that the wooden parts could be done by little factories with a non specialized workmansship you need for metal working.
The tail basis of the 109 in fact allowed to fit the little early fin and rudder than also the later tall fin and rudder.
Fin and rudder could be made of wood but also the complete tail.
In his first edition Albert Speer mention to use no more " strategic" materials but more use wood what was more disponible.
So on their trucks later apeared the "Eineitsführerhaus", easy to build, standard and made of wood. And last not least one need big tools and a lot of energy to work steel and especially alloy rather more than wood.
Germanys resources have been at the end when finally the third reich collapsed - mainly also due to the shortage of carburants they litteraly flyied "with the vapours of fuel"
Best Regards
Yours
Michael Vader