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Milviz F-4J Repaints
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Thanks for this great repaint Duckie. Superb work. I noticed FYI the 7 on the right side of the nose is back to front (just trying to be helpful here) but its no biggie.
Kat... thanks for being the messenger even though some times you feel like your being shot at. 2 Weeks for S/J... that will be nice if it proves to work out that way. May I ask... are Milviz still planning on doing a D model?
Matt
Kat... thanks for being the messenger even though some times you feel like your being shot at. 2 Weeks for S/J... that will be nice if it proves to work out that way. May I ask... are Milviz still planning on doing a D model?
Matt
WarHorse47
SOH-CM-2024
Kat, might there be a template or instructions to enable current J model textures to be converted or used by the upcoming J/S models? Any thought to that, or will they be totally incompatible?
Hi,
They are, for the most part, the same. The differences are mostly in the leading edge areas of the wings, the lack of the refuel door on the top and the stencils not being the same. We are presently working in the stencils but these will be put out only at the end of the month.
We are not, at this time, removing the triangles on the stabilators.
It will, with luck, be put out today. With luck.
Note: any and all reprints used or made with this model may (or may not) be used in the final product without any remuneration.
Thank you.
Kat.
They are, for the most part, the same. The differences are mostly in the leading edge areas of the wings, the lack of the refuel door on the top and the stencils not being the same. We are presently working in the stencils but these will be put out only at the end of the month.
We are not, at this time, removing the triangles on the stabilators.
It will, with luck, be put out today. With luck.
Note: any and all reprints used or made with this model may (or may not) be used in the final product without any remuneration.
Thank you.
Kat.
Duckie
SOH-CM-2024
Thank you all for your kind and encouraging remarks. As for more repaints, I will wait and see what the next info / iteration brings. I am hopeful that the expected changes can be overcome with a minimum of effort in the paint kit. This is a good model and, like many of you, one of my favorite aircraft. This historic aircraft deserves much attention and I'm sure many other repainters are waiting, "brush in hand", to see where this is leading. Hopefully, more good things to come.
@MDIvey - Thank you for catching the backward "7" on the starboard nose. It's now fixed in the downloads and here is a direct copy of the specific texture. Just unzip it and place the texture into the folder "texture.VMFA-251" and allow to overwrite.
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@MDIvey - Thank you for catching the backward "7" on the starboard nose. It's now fixed in the downloads and here is a direct copy of the specific texture. Just unzip it and place the texture into the folder "texture.VMFA-251" and allow to overwrite.
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Duckie
SOH-CM-2024
Please explain further.
Dumonceau
Banned
Without permission of the respective authors?
Whatever you've written in your EULA, I think that that remark is legally quite dodgy. Especially if you do it without express and written consent of the same authors.
Just my two cents worth. I think that Lawman should see this post of yours.
Johan
Wow! What's with the tendency to see something nefarious. There's not one iota of suggestion that authors will not be asked first. It would be kind of tough to give credit otherwise, eh?
Dumonceau
Banned
Using people's work without remunerating them is bad enough...
Hi,
Here's what Colin says on this. "To be perfectly clear, we never liked the idea of others charging for repaints for our products. Nor do we want you (or anyone else for that matter) to have to jump through hoops to get the paints. Nor, of course, do we wish to pay for the 100's of possible paints for this bird.
The idea here is to "take/use" the repaints that are done as part and parcel of the product. Yes, perhaps we should be remunerating for this aspect but, as we already have about 15 liveries done, we do not need to do more. This way EVERYONE gets access to the paints.
Those who do paints that are used will absolutely get the product, when complete, for free as well as a credit in the manual.
If this is not sufficient, that's fine, don't paint it till it's been released.
But we are reserving the right to do so with this.
There are two ways we can do it...
1) You send us an email (kat at milviz dot com will work) and we will send you the installer (which is ready btw) or
2) we can put it out here for one and all and we will just "grab" the repaints we like.
Either way, there is no VC and no gear in this repaintable set (a J and a S).
Your call."
Thank you.
Kat.
Here's what Colin says on this. "To be perfectly clear, we never liked the idea of others charging for repaints for our products. Nor do we want you (or anyone else for that matter) to have to jump through hoops to get the paints. Nor, of course, do we wish to pay for the 100's of possible paints for this bird.
The idea here is to "take/use" the repaints that are done as part and parcel of the product. Yes, perhaps we should be remunerating for this aspect but, as we already have about 15 liveries done, we do not need to do more. This way EVERYONE gets access to the paints.
Those who do paints that are used will absolutely get the product, when complete, for free as well as a credit in the manual.
If this is not sufficient, that's fine, don't paint it till it's been released.
But we are reserving the right to do so with this.
There are two ways we can do it...
1) You send us an email (kat at milviz dot com will work) and we will send you the installer (which is ready btw) or
2) we can put it out here for one and all and we will just "grab" the repaints we like.
Either way, there is no VC and no gear in this repaintable set (a J and a S).
Your call."
Thank you.
Kat.
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Stickshaker
SOH-CM-2023
I looked up what renumeration means and it means something like reward or salary. It does not mean 'credit'. Anyone can have an opinion pro or con about using paints without payment, but giving creators credit does not seem to be the issue (as is also clear from Kat's post).
I suppose that repaints made without using the official paintkit are not covered by your post, Kat? They seem to me the property of the creators, whereas one can argue that the official paintkit fulfils such an important role in a repaint that the intellectual property does not rest solely with the repainter.
I suppose that repaints made without using the official paintkit are not covered by your post, Kat? They seem to me the property of the creators, whereas one can argue that the official paintkit fulfils such an important role in a repaint that the intellectual property does not rest solely with the repainter.
Hi,
Colin says: "I don't see how you could do a nice paint without the paintkit...but either way, if it's for the MV F-4 J/S, we can use it.
I get that, for some, this isn't cool. However, one of the things I've noticed is that some these repaints are hard to get for some users and that's even less cool."
Thank you.
Kat.
Colin says: "I don't see how you could do a nice paint without the paintkit...but either way, if it's for the MV F-4 J/S, we can use it.
I get that, for some, this isn't cool. However, one of the things I've noticed is that some these repaints are hard to get for some users and that's even less cool."
Thank you.
Kat.
Dumonceau
Banned
I'm not a painter, but I do care about honesty and fairness. You're saying that because you release a paintkit, that painters should not be paid for their work because they use the paintkit?
I recommend that you put up your paintkit in some Asian sweatshop where you can have people work for a piece of bread and some water.
You've lost a customer. I've got every thing in your catalogue and will now delete them all.
Johan
hschuit
SOH-CM-2024
Kat, your policy sounds fair to me. But whatever repaints you decide to include in the package(s), please do some quality checks. On Dec 13th, 2014 I did post a bug report about the quality of some paints on the support forum but there was no response and these flaws still exist in the latest pack & repaints releases:
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Hi,
Colin again: "@Johan: I'm sorry you feel that way but the reality is that we're not trying to make money off the backs of the repainters. Nor are we being unfair or deceitful. I've been 100% clear about the intentions and methods. Nothing hidden or lied about. We're trying to make it easier for everyone who buys the plane to have access to all of the repaints. As well, they are getting paid in that, we offer all those used a free product plus, usually, we allow them full access to our catalogue. Finally, this is an unreleased product. After the release, this will not happen.
@Henk, you're correct, we missed those. I'll see what I can do next iteration."
Thank you.
Kat
Colin again: "@Johan: I'm sorry you feel that way but the reality is that we're not trying to make money off the backs of the repainters. Nor are we being unfair or deceitful. I've been 100% clear about the intentions and methods. Nothing hidden or lied about. We're trying to make it easier for everyone who buys the plane to have access to all of the repaints. As well, they are getting paid in that, we offer all those used a free product plus, usually, we allow them full access to our catalogue. Finally, this is an unreleased product. After the release, this will not happen.
@Henk, you're correct, we missed those. I'll see what I can do next iteration."
Thank you.
Kat
Just a side note, Johan, but as you aren't a repainter, you probably don't realise that almost all paintkits ban the repainter from making money off repaints if the developers' PK is used. That's a normal condition.
Most developers don't like people making money off their efforts - i.e. creating a livery for a model they created and using the paintkit they created - to make money for yourself. If you don't use the paintkit and create textures yourself from scratch, basing positioning on the existing paints, then that's a different issue, but "use the paintkit" usually means "don't make money off our model and paintkit".
I'm not going to comment on the developer using the paints - that's between the repainter and the developer.
Ian P.
Most developers don't like people making money off their efforts - i.e. creating a livery for a model they created and using the paintkit they created - to make money for yourself. If you don't use the paintkit and create textures yourself from scratch, basing positioning on the existing paints, then that's a different issue, but "use the paintkit" usually means "don't make money off our model and paintkit".
I'm not going to comment on the developer using the paints - that's between the repainter and the developer.
Ian P.
Ok, Milviz has given the repainter community an offer to paint the upcoming Milviz F-4S/ J. If the repaints are used in the release, the author receives the F-4S / J at no charge. Now we wait for the release of the paint kit. If this offer doesn't fit your style end of story.
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