Felixthreeone
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MILVIZ T-38 current pics...
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fsafranek
SOH-CM-2024
peter12213
FSX Acceleration!
Thats probs the most confusing airfield ever!
krazycolin
Banned
MINE!!!!!
oh. right. it actually IS mine!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!
Oh, ok.... it will be everyone who can afford the 75 dollars!
JUST KIDDING!!!!
Pricing has not been decided yet....
oh. right. it actually IS mine!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!
Oh, ok.... it will be everyone who can afford the 75 dollars!
JUST KIDDING!!!!
Pricing has not been decided yet....
LonelyplanetXO
Charter Member
"Come to Poppa..."
LOLOLOL Sooo...is it ready yet? is it ready yet?....No? .... How about now?...
LPXO
LOLOLOL Sooo...is it ready yet? is it ready yet?....No? .... How about now?...
LPXO
Thanks man! It's pretty dang real-like, and where the real T-38 has the tendency for eating a pilots lunch, so does this one. People are going to love it, especially the ex-Mil crowd like yourself.
Roadburner440
Charter Member 2010
Yeah I crashed it at my own runway in Mayport. Airspeed had bled off just past that point to where it started losing lift and wobbling. Then 'BOOM'. Hate when that happens.
skyblazer3
Charter Member
My father flew it only once, and he couldn't believe how fast you had to keep it on final approach.
For those who are beta testing it in multiplayer.... how does it do on frames with multiple aircraft? Also, how large of formation have you put together with it either in multiplayer or using FS Recorder? Does it maintain stability with 3 or 4 aircraft?
There are some models in this sim that do fine as a 2 ship, but anything more and you get weird internet-style lag; it's not frame lag -- but internet lag caused by certain aircraft. I can't explain it. Hopefully those who are beta testing this in multiplayer have experienced what I'm talking about and are aware of what might cause this in FSX.
Dino's F-14 is a good example of this problem, as is the Vertigo F9F. This type of lag occurs regardless of system specs or internet speed.
For those beta testing the T-38, if you have time, you might want to check on the stability of the aircraft in at least a 3 or 4 ship formation.
Looking great -- looking forward to purchasing this one.
Cheers,
Chris
For those who are beta testing it in multiplayer.... how does it do on frames with multiple aircraft? Also, how large of formation have you put together with it either in multiplayer or using FS Recorder? Does it maintain stability with 3 or 4 aircraft?
There are some models in this sim that do fine as a 2 ship, but anything more and you get weird internet-style lag; it's not frame lag -- but internet lag caused by certain aircraft. I can't explain it. Hopefully those who are beta testing this in multiplayer have experienced what I'm talking about and are aware of what might cause this in FSX.
Dino's F-14 is a good example of this problem, as is the Vertigo F9F. This type of lag occurs regardless of system specs or internet speed.
For those beta testing the T-38, if you have time, you might want to check on the stability of the aircraft in at least a 3 or 4 ship formation.
Looking great -- looking forward to purchasing this one.
Cheers,
Chris
Roadburner440
Charter Member 2010
I can't vouch for multiplayer, but I fly in pretty detailed scenery (Jim made a nice rendition of NS Mayport with lots of ships in the basin, detailed hangars, and all the buildings).. I haven't noticed any severe drop off like I sometimes experience with other birds. Bone will hopefully chime in, as he is the one that flies a lot of our birds in various multiplayer situations.
skyblazer3
Charter Member
@Roadburner, thanks for the quick reply. It's good to know that the frames are good in scenery intensive areas -- that is very important for many FSX users.
@Barfly, Good to hear that the flight model is stable -- also very important.
What I am talking about is not internet lag -- but it looks like internet lag, and it happens with some aircraft in multiplayer -- but it is not internet lag. Let me explain further:
In FSX there are 3 kinds of lag that I've encountered which are related to aircraft.
1. Frame-lag: this is where the computer seems to shutter and frames are temporarily reduced. This can be caused by heavy scenery, other open processes, or multiple polygon intensive aircraft models in multiplayer. This kind of lag is dependent on the hardware of the user.
2. G-force/ poor internet/ high-FPS lag in multiplayer: This is where you see aircraft dart around the sky, sometimes moving hundreds of feet and then reappearing where they began. It can also appear as a left-right or forward-aft quaking movement. This is caused by either a poor internet connection or an aircraft pulling more than 3 Gs in multiplayer. It can also occur if the player has their Frames-per-Second above 29, as the screen will re-draw faster than the multiplayer data is transmitted. This happens regardless of what aircraft is being flown as long as these conditions are met.
3. AIRCRAFT INDUCED LAG -- This looks exactly like the internet lag that I described in #2; however, it occurs all the time, even in level unloaded flight. It only occurs with a few models that I know and it is extremely frustrating. In fact, the effects can be worse than the lag in #2. Sometimes you will be taxing onto a runway, but people will still see you at your parking spot, or you will be miles away from where others see you flying. The thing about this type of lag, is that you must have 3 or 4 aircraft for it to show up -- and it only occurs on very few models -- I'm not sure what causes it. It is a great mystery to me; but it makes certain aircraft flyable only as a 2-ship. It happens both with FSX native and FS2004 models.
I don't want to hijack this thread and make it into a discussion of lag -- I just want to know how the guys flying the T-38 in multiplayer have found it to be on lag, and what the largest formation they've had is, and if they've only tested it with 2, if they could try 3 or 4 and see if it is stable.
SOrry for the long post; I think you guys are doing great. I'm picky about this sort of thing because I've purchased other products in the past from other companies and been disappointed because they didn't test this sort of thing. I'm picky because I care about this T-38.
Best,
Chris
@Barfly, Good to hear that the flight model is stable -- also very important.
What I am talking about is not internet lag -- but it looks like internet lag, and it happens with some aircraft in multiplayer -- but it is not internet lag. Let me explain further:
In FSX there are 3 kinds of lag that I've encountered which are related to aircraft.
1. Frame-lag: this is where the computer seems to shutter and frames are temporarily reduced. This can be caused by heavy scenery, other open processes, or multiple polygon intensive aircraft models in multiplayer. This kind of lag is dependent on the hardware of the user.
2. G-force/ poor internet/ high-FPS lag in multiplayer: This is where you see aircraft dart around the sky, sometimes moving hundreds of feet and then reappearing where they began. It can also appear as a left-right or forward-aft quaking movement. This is caused by either a poor internet connection or an aircraft pulling more than 3 Gs in multiplayer. It can also occur if the player has their Frames-per-Second above 29, as the screen will re-draw faster than the multiplayer data is transmitted. This happens regardless of what aircraft is being flown as long as these conditions are met.
3. AIRCRAFT INDUCED LAG -- This looks exactly like the internet lag that I described in #2; however, it occurs all the time, even in level unloaded flight. It only occurs with a few models that I know and it is extremely frustrating. In fact, the effects can be worse than the lag in #2. Sometimes you will be taxing onto a runway, but people will still see you at your parking spot, or you will be miles away from where others see you flying. The thing about this type of lag, is that you must have 3 or 4 aircraft for it to show up -- and it only occurs on very few models -- I'm not sure what causes it. It is a great mystery to me; but it makes certain aircraft flyable only as a 2-ship. It happens both with FSX native and FS2004 models.
I don't want to hijack this thread and make it into a discussion of lag -- I just want to know how the guys flying the T-38 in multiplayer have found it to be on lag, and what the largest formation they've had is, and if they've only tested it with 2, if they could try 3 or 4 and see if it is stable.
SOrry for the long post; I think you guys are doing great. I'm picky about this sort of thing because I've purchased other products in the past from other companies and been disappointed because they didn't test this sort of thing. I'm picky because I care about this T-38.
Best,
Chris
Skyblazer3: Hijack away, it's all good.
I've gotten six of the regular model T-38A's in formation at once (fsrecorder), with fps locked at 29, and they varied from 25-29 depending on where I was looking (and I'm looking at a 30 inch 2560x1600 resolution monitor). And yes, it's a fantastic formation platform...surley you knew I would check that out, right? Lol.
Nowwww, here's the good news. Colin and team have built an AI version. I swapped that into some flight plans, and I've gotten 14 AI T-38A's in a tight grouping on the ramp with steady fps of 20 (+ or - a few). I did do a tester with 25 jets, but frames dropped to crappola.
These AI will use the same paints that the regular model takes...so any repaints someone does will fit on them. The down side to that is the AI won't be as light on frames as a true multi LOD'ed AI model...and the upside is they look 100 times better than regular AI. The AI model does have canopy's that will open, and even though NG4IX said that part of the animation wouldn't work yet, I have seen it work in my tests (and I forgot to tell him that...DOH!).
I haven't done any multiplayer over the internet, so I can't help you there. You're going to love this model, but I have to warn you it's not going to fly as easy as the S8 F-86 you love so much. It's a bit of a bitch in the pattern if you don't nail the numbers, ESPECIALLY on the final turn.
I've gotten six of the regular model T-38A's in formation at once (fsrecorder), with fps locked at 29, and they varied from 25-29 depending on where I was looking (and I'm looking at a 30 inch 2560x1600 resolution monitor). And yes, it's a fantastic formation platform...surley you knew I would check that out, right? Lol.
Nowwww, here's the good news. Colin and team have built an AI version. I swapped that into some flight plans, and I've gotten 14 AI T-38A's in a tight grouping on the ramp with steady fps of 20 (+ or - a few). I did do a tester with 25 jets, but frames dropped to crappola.
These AI will use the same paints that the regular model takes...so any repaints someone does will fit on them. The down side to that is the AI won't be as light on frames as a true multi LOD'ed AI model...and the upside is they look 100 times better than regular AI. The AI model does have canopy's that will open, and even though NG4IX said that part of the animation wouldn't work yet, I have seen it work in my tests (and I forgot to tell him that...DOH!).
I haven't done any multiplayer over the internet, so I can't help you there. You're going to love this model, but I have to warn you it's not going to fly as easy as the S8 F-86 you love so much. It's a bit of a bitch in the pattern if you don't nail the numbers, ESPECIALLY on the final turn.
skyblazer3
Charter Member
That's great news Bone; we all appreciate that sort of intensive testing.
I accept your base-to-final challenge!
Cheers,
Chris
I accept your base-to-final challenge!
Cheers,
Chris
Haha, it will be a challenge. Locking the green donut up for the sweeping turn from downwind to final..well, lets just say you'll need to practice doing it about 50 times without any witnesses around. Lol.
Hey, Chris, I just put the AI into my six plane formation recording...FPS were locked at 29 and they didn't waver a bit. You can't see #6 in the pics, but he's there.
Alrighty then, here's the pics of the air cart and crew ladders. Yes, the cart is yellow, but that's because the T-38A model is retro in time. The air cart is also an AC power cart. Along with the high pressure air hose, you can see the AC power plug as well...and the box for the crew chief to coil those things up into after you do the jet start.
Note: The upcoming C model is going to have the new style air starter, and I just learned that it will also be available for the A model in the next Beta update. So, you're going to have the option of using new or old equipment to start your jet.
Note: The upcoming C model is going to have the new style air starter, and I just learned that it will also be available for the A model in the next Beta update. So, you're going to have the option of using new or old equipment to start your jet.
Alrighty then, here's the pics of the air cart and crew ladders. Yes, the cart is yellow, but that's because the T-38A model is retro in time. The air cart is also an AC power cart. Along with the high pressure air hose, you can see the AC power plug as well...and the box for the crew chief to coil those things up into after you do the jet start.
Note: The upcoming C model is going to have the new style air starter, and I just learned that it will also be available for the A model in the next Beta update. So, you're going to have the option of using new or old equipment to start your jet.
Is this going to be freeware? Amazing if it is. Sorry, have not been following the thread.
HvyEng
Charter Member
VERY NICE!, you guys shacked the sexy curves of the Talon, I like it!
And now for some general purpose rivet counting......
Driveable AGE, thats a Navy thing. A Note about the AGE, the NC-8A didn't have starting air. The MA-1A and A/M32A-60 was only air, the A/M32A-85 was a combination cart. The current USAF model for combined air/elec is the A/M32A-95 LASS (A.K.A the LASS '95), for power only it's the A/M32A-86 (A.KA. the dash 86).
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And now for some general purpose rivet counting......
Driveable AGE, thats a Navy thing. A Note about the AGE, the NC-8A didn't have starting air. The MA-1A and A/M32A-60 was only air, the A/M32A-85 was a combination cart. The current USAF model for combined air/elec is the A/M32A-95 LASS (A.K.A the LASS '95), for power only it's the A/M32A-86 (A.KA. the dash 86).
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